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anyone try using the EVO Ecu?


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 858703 posted 12/17/09 12:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I read on tuners that some 2g users are using it, and some 1g users are using this. anyone try it in the galant yet?
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I've never heard of it being done. What would be the point?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 858719 posted 12/17/09 01:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Lots of stock tuning capabilities with simply reflashing the evo ecu. Lots of guys are doing this with their 2nd gen dsms now.... Id love to give it a go on a 1st gen/galant.

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I don't think anyone has done it in a 1g but there are 2g guys doing it. As mentioned, the tuning capabilities are more than worth it with the re-flashes available vs. the cost of a standalone.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 858756 posted 12/17/09 04:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That's awesome. I wonder what they do about the knock sensor? Just use an evo one?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 858758 posted 12/17/09 04:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I came in here thinking that bruno was smoking too much of the good stuff but it sounds like a viable set up for a 2g. IMHO its easier to just get a DSMap set up and do basically the same thing with your stock GVR4 ECU though.

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^+1 That is pretty much what happens when I hit the upload button every time on Jackal/DS-Map.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 858861 posted 12/17/09 11:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Is there something special about the evo ECU? All 2g ecus after '98 should be reflashable.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 858934 posted 12/18/09 10:07 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I wonder if it is a 16 bit ecu? In any case, the hardware and software are much newer, that may make a difference. That, and can you just use the Evo re-flashing software on a 2g ecu? That would make a big difference.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 858949 posted 12/18/09 10:41 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
anyone who wants to try and make a harness that works, im willing to buy one ahaha. im looking for a whole new set up since my last ecu just took a shit.
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Here's half of it:
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859127 posted 12/19/09 01:06 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i have read that the evo knock sensor and ecu are better at seeing real knock and drivabilty is improved. Yhis is something I'd like to do at some point
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859161 posted 12/19/09 09:41 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting jepherz:

I wonder if it is a 16 bit ecu? In any case, the hardware and software are much newer, that may make a difference. That, and can you just use the Evo re-flashing software on a 2g ecu? That would make a big difference.




I don't know what difference the 16 bit would make, as I am not up to speed on that very much. I am just saying why can't programs be flashed onto the stock ECU?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859167 posted 12/19/09 09:56 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
There is a semi-local guy that has had some success with the evo 8 ecu.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859251 posted 12/19/09 06:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I think the 2G-to-1G ECU swap may be even easier. Its already been done, years ago. The 98/99 Flash 2G ECU's should be pretty much plug-n-play, I just need to build a cable/adapter for it. You just need to swap to a 2G knock sensor, and possibly the coolant sensor.
Anyone want to be a guinea pig once I get it sorted out?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859261 posted 12/19/09 07:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'd work with you, Jeff. I kinda want to try this EVO ecu out in any case.



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Quoting keydiver:

I think the 2G-to-1G ECU swap may be even easier. Its already been done, years ago. The 98/99 Flash 2G ECU's should be pretty much plug-n-play, I just need to build a cable/adapter for it. You just need to swap to a 2G knock sensor, and possibly the coolant sensor.
Anyone want to be a guinea pig once I get it sorted out?



so 98-99 ecu is reflashable too? If you make cables for it and are able to sell them, let me know, and if you decide to do the Evo ecu I'm down aswell.
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859364 posted 12/20/09 12:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I believe 95 (2g) ecus were possible to get in eprom. After that, for OBDII they went flashable so probably any eclipse ecu from 96+ is flashable. Probably cheap too.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859369 posted 12/20/09 12:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Uh, no. 1996 thru 1997 (and most 1995 FWD) were Non-EPROM ECU's with the ROM inside the CPU, where it is inaccessible. In 1998 they switched to a new CPU with internal flash memory. So, this only works for a 1998 or 1999 2G DSM ECU in a 1G/GVR-4.

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When do you think you'd be able to start working on the harness?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859382 posted 12/20/09 01:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting keydiver:

Anyone want to be a guinea pig once I get it sorted out?




I'd be up for trying it out.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859391 posted 12/20/09 02:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have an VIII ecu and am in the process of building the conversion harness with a little help from Dan. It looks fairly straight forward but I won't have it done until this spring when I roll the car out with all the new goodies. I guess I'll add to this thread then.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859499 posted 12/21/09 04:56 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Evo 8-9 ecu's are right on par with standalone systems and can also be covrerted to sd to get rid of that pesky maf that becomes a restriction in the mid to upper 500whp area.

I have seen it done in the 1g but I honestly did not take a close look or ask questions since I do not have a dsm or gvr4 anymore but it seems there is no real restriction in the stock ecu as it has made well over 700whp and can run 1500 cc injectors etc..


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859504 posted 12/21/09 07:14 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've got Evo ecu's in-stok Jeff. So build the cable/harness & I'll put the car on the dyno to get some #s. My car is up & running again so things should be a lot easier to test.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 859737 posted 12/22/09 03:16 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Forget the harness, has anyone ever flashed a 98-99 ECU?

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Yes, I've sold several already.

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here's another link to one of the ECUFlash Guru's on evom that's done it. Lots of good info here.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 862060 posted 01/02/10 08:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Probably the first GVR-4 Flash ECU:



The ECU boots and tests perfectly on the bench, but I'd really like to get this thing into a car and really test it. It should be 100% plug-n-play, all you need is the 2G knock sensor. You *might* also need a 2G coolant sensor, but I'm not sure about that one. Worst case it will read off a little bit.
The beta tester will need to purchase an Openport 2.0 cable from me if they don't have one already ($179), and of course you will need a laptop to run ECUFlash and EVOSCAN. I would prefer someone with either a 2G or 3G #482/EVO MAS, as I can put the exact compensation into the flash when I ship it.
This adapter harness has both the OBDII and 12-pin diagnostic connector, so the Tactrix Openport cable plugs right in. (Thanks to Autobahntom freezing his butt off in a junkyard the other night). I can also probably do an EVO adapter harness, as they are almost identical to the 2G pinout. I also left the MDP/MAP sensor wire hang loose, so you can tie it to a 3 BAR MAP sensor if you eventually want to play with speed density.
I will disable all the emissions stuff in the flash before shipping, so none of that is going to be an issue.

FYI: I'm also looking for someone with a 1995 or 1996 2G Turbo DSM that still has the stock cam sensor, NOT converted to a 6-bolt 1G CAS. I have a hardware fix that will hopefully allow these 1998/99 ECU's run perfectly in any 1995/96 cars also.

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Suweet! An OBD2 ECU will definitely be in the cards for me down the road. It would be amazing if this really works out to be plug and play. Thanks for doing all the dirty work and hopefully the VR4 community will benefit from this new development as much as they have from all your previous work. Keep us updated.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 862108 posted 01/03/10 07:16 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting keydiver:

Probably the first GVR-4 Flash ECU:


I would prefer someone with either a 2G or 3G #482/EVO MAS, as I can put the exact compensation into the flash when I ship it.





It looks like Tom & Jeff had a busy Christmas

Jeff, my car meets the Evo MAS requirements & the ecu can be tested in a controled environment with supporting data recorded.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 863758 posted 01/08/10 10:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I finished the EVO harness tonight:



Now if I only had an EVO8 ECU and knock sensor to test it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 863796 posted 01/09/10 01:04 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That looks awesome. What is the white connector from, a 2g ecu?

Oh, I guess I probably have it backwards.



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This lookS awesome! Jeff, you never fail us and are always ahead of the curve Coming from being a honda guy, I find it funny that we would be wanting to go obd2.

I have no knowledge of the Ecuflash software and such but how would tuning compare to lets say dsmlink3 and aem. Obviously aem has more tuning capabilities...... Where would the flash land???

What is total cost harness, ecu?? Awesome work!!!!!! I have been saving toward aem but this has definetly sparked my interest!!!!!!!!!!



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So, how much Jeff?



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Jeff, I know you do the dual image EPROMs for 1G's that allow you to switch between E85 and pump gas. Is such a thing also possible with the 2G/EVO ECU's?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 863891 posted 01/09/10 02:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
As long as people can keep supplying me with the pieces necessary for the harnesses they will probably be ~$100. Fortunately the 2G ECU harnesses work well for an EVO ECU also. The white connector is the connector block out of a scrap 1G ECU, so the 1G/GVR-4 harness will plug right into an EVO or 2G ECU.
Some of the EVO flashes do allow for map switching, but I'm not an expert on that. The 2G Flash ECU already has 2 sets of maps, and you can simply go in and change one bit to flip between maps. So, to change from racegas to pumpgas is just a simple bit change, and it changes both the openloop AFR and the high octane timing maps both.
The change to E85 would be just slightly more involved, you would not only need to change the map bit, but you would need to change the injector scaling. Say you have 950cc injectors @ 37psi. Instead of an injector scaling value of 862cc (the 2G ECU thinks you are at 43psi base fuel pressure) you would need to change the Injector Scaling to ~578cc when switching to E85. The EVO Injector Scaling is just slightly different, as they have their own wacky scaler values. In the DSM community we use a scaler value of 31050/Injector size = scaler value. The EVO guys have been using 29241/injector size = scaler, so their scaler values look funky. Their stock 560cc injectors come up as 513cc! Their deadtime/latency values I also think are incorrect, as they are using the old 1G scaling of 24X, and I have a guy feeling that it is actually 32X. The 2G is 15X.

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Quoting 381gvr4:

I find it funny that we would be wanting to go obd2.




Its not that we really *want* to go OBDII, we disable all that stuff, but the newer ECU's have so much more processing power and the EVO guys have added tons of features over the years, which makes it a very attractive platform.

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I have no knowledge of the Ecuflash software and such but how would tuning compare to lets say dsmlink3 and aem. Obviously aem has more tuning capabilities...... Where would the flash land???




ECUFlash doesn't have the nice GUI interface like DSMLink, and doesn't have the easy-to-learn AFR and timing sliders, but it is more like the ECMLink v3 Direct Access feature, where you can go in and do true 3D map editing. For years, the biggest shortcome of the DSMLink, in my opinion and others, is that not only do you start with stock maps, but the sliders effect that AFR or timing at every boost level, which can hurt driveability. Their Direct Access and expanded maps of v3 finally get rid of that, but it is not as user friendly either. You need to edit each cell individually in Direct Access, just like ECUFlash and any standalone, like AEM or Haltech. But, that is a much better way to tune, because you can tune each boost map separately, without effecting the driveability if you turn the boost up or down. If you can tune a standalone like AEM you can tune using ECUFlash.


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I will pm you for specifics when ready. Thanks Jeff!



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How much is ECUflash?

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ECUFlash is free, sort of. Colby decided to start charging for it, so it is now bundled into the price of the Tactrix cables. Basically the new versions of ECUFlash only support the new versions of his cables. If you buy a secondhand older cable, from back before he started charging, you have to use an older version of ECUFlash.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 864789 posted 01/12/10 10:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Anybody take apart his cables and reverse engineer them yet?

I guess this sounds really cool, but is it better than a standalone in a similar price range?
Harness:$100
Cable:$179
ECU:$250-$400
So, $540.


Edited by 687OF2000 (01/12/10 10:49 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 864807 posted 01/12/10 11:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Your ECU price is a little high. I haven't had to spend more than $150 for an ECU yet. Some guys have found them as cheap as $50-$100. You won't find a standalone for anywhere near $329 to $429.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 864873 posted 01/13/10 11:09 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Harness: 100 to 150
Cable w/evoscan?: 200ish
ECU: 100 to 150
Evo/2G knock sensor: 30 to 80
Evo/Eclipse GT maf or MAP sensor: 50 to 100

If you take the avg. of said prices you're in the 580ish range, and for not alot more you can pick up a used AEM, or a new ECMlink V3. Though with the ECMlink you might spend more since you'll have to get the MAF/MAP sensor still etc.

I'd say that overall you can still come out on top with a great ECU for a decent amount of cash.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 865035 posted 01/13/10 09:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I don't think its fair to include the MAS or MAP sensor either, not if you're comparing it to the price of just the DSMLink. You would need those same pieces if you were to buy a DSMLink, or a used AEM. Besides, most guys interested in this already have a 2G, 3G, EVO, MAS or MAFT setup.
You would need the same 2G/EVO knock sensor if you went AEM, but its a valid argument if you are comparing it to DSMLink.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 865353 posted 01/14/10 10:22 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Interesting. I have been eyeing DSMlink for a while now. As far as I can tell from what keydiver said, ecuflash has more tuneability and true 3d mapping, but DSMlink is more user friendly. I have a 2g so no problems there.....And of course this solution bases everything on a much newer ECU. Oh, do these EVO ecus need capping?


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 865358 posted 01/14/10 10:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The EVO ECU's appear to use a better grade cap, but the real issue with the 1G caps was a defective capacitor, not just normal wear and tear. But, I have seen a few 1995 EPROM ECU's with leaky caps, which makes me think that Mitsubishi made some of them back in early 1994 before they fixed the bad caps issue. I've never seen a 1996 or newer ECU with leaky caps.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 865526 posted 01/15/10 11:35 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have an Evo 8 and tune it myself with ECUFlash. I also tune Subaru cars with RomRaider. Personally I like RomRaider but you still have to actually flash the car with ECUFlash since RomRaider has no flashing ability. I posted on the EvoM forums about this with Keydiver a while back and once 379 is running properly and I have the mechanical work done I am switching it over to an Evo8 ECU.

/brox



I am big into recycling though and if your not into sacrifice or burnt offerings, you may want to stick with 93 octane.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867508 posted 01/22/10 10:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My 04 evo ecu came in the mail yesterday. I plan on dropping in a set of 560's and an evo maf and driving it around basically on a stockish evo setup. I'll work on mods/tune after its up and driving.

My harness is almost finished but I had a question about the obd2 plug. I need 12v and I was wondering if you guys were just tapping into pin evo25/dsm107(12v switched power)? Also what did you use as the ground?

Would the "M" cable be a good choice for tactrix cable? I really don't want to spend the extra $100 for 2.0 if I can run an older version just fine.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867650 posted 01/22/10 06:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The more I read into this the more I'm interested in doing this once my build is done. If I didn't love my Evo so much. I'd pull the ecu and maf from it. Lol since I was planning on going with a Evo
maf anyways.

Jeff, if you were too offer this as a plug and play setup I'd buy one for sure.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867659 posted 01/22/10 07:12 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm trying to get there.
Use pin #106 as GROUND for the OBDII connector.
As far as I know the cheaper version of the 1.3 programming cable *will* work, but you have to use an older version of ECUFlash, before Colby started putting the new serial numbers into the cables. I have version 1.32 I think. Anything up to 1.37 works, or something like that. I actually had a bunch of them, and just sold them off at $69 each. I should have kept one to test, or to sell with a complete package. For $35-$40 more you get the newer version that includes ECUFlash. You should really ask Hamish for the particulars, so I don't steer you wrong though.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867662 posted 01/22/10 07:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
well thats good to know. I'll keep my eyes peeled. it's either going to be that setup or your stage 3 setup.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867797 posted 01/23/10 09:44 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks for the info Jeff, it really helps. I think now all I need is the cable once I decide which one to get. I might still have a copy of openecu on my computer from back when I owned an evo.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 869161 posted 01/27/10 08:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
well im actually a little surprised that all this info is on here, I actually was hoping to be the first to have this done, as I am planning this swap on 1630. I do know that if your going to the evo ecu, you also need the evo knock sensor.



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would it be worth it to switch up to the evo8/98-99 ecu if I already have a chip from you that works? if so what would the beneift be and what would the total cost be? If you want a tester for a 89-90car I my be interested.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 872379 posted 02/08/10 04:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
As far as actual performance, there probably isn't any difference between an EVO ECU and the stock GVR-4 ECU. But, the main reason people like the mod is that they can use ECUFlash to tune the maps themselves, switch to a second set of maps, switch to an E85 tune, or run speed density. We also have the option to expand the maps to REALLY huge amounts of airflow, for the guys running >25psi.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916345 posted 07/19/10 01:22 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
so whats going on with this? Sorry to bring up old thread again.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916361 posted 07/19/10 02:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Been done. Working as expected. My GVR4 has been on an Evo 8 ECU now for a while. A few others have contacted me about installing it as well.

I think there is a reason it hasn't been talked about more. But that is conjecture on my part.

/brox



I am big into recycling though and if your not into sacrifice or burnt offerings, you may want to stick with 93 octane.

/brox

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916363 posted 07/19/10 02:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
the reason i brought it up, is because keydiver was working on a harness or something back then, and idk if it was trialed in anyones car, if youve done it, what harness are you using? and hows it working out for you?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916367 posted 07/19/10 03:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
No Harness. I hard wired it into the factory harness. About 4 hours worth of soldering. My car has zero possibility of being put back to stock so I made the install permanent.

/brox



I am big into recycling though and if your not into sacrifice or burnt offerings, you may want to stick with 93 octane.

/brox

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916374 posted 07/19/10 03:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
geez, uhm do you happen to have the diagram of which wire goes where? and pics of it installed? Does it fit into a factory galant casing?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916464 posted 07/20/10 12:38 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Crosspost coming up

click

I have been told that some of the links are not working so I can send the files to you and post them here as well since I have them. My DIY is not entirely complete but shows the basics of what is required. My car hasn't been on the road due to a transmission and now an electrical issue but once it is back in form I'll be adding to the DIY post.

/brox



I am big into recycling though and if your not into sacrifice or burnt offerings, you may want to stick with 93 octane.

/brox

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916488 posted 07/20/10 08:14 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Jeff did build a jumper harness which I was testing. Jeff has been really busy & hasn't had a chance to go over the harness. The problem I was having is the car wouldn't rev out cleanly. Jeff is very close to having it done but he's just been very busy. I was also having some issues with ECUFlash working properly on my laptop.



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