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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442394 posted 02/10/07 06:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've got a lot of 2g stuff laying around so tonight i decided to toss the 2g power steering pump etc on the car. I guess just for the sake of looking newer and to be a little different? I'm a ricer, i know.

so far i have, 2g exhaust manifold, o2 housing, 2g trans, 2g slave cylinder, 2g injector clips and now 2g power steering pump. lol.






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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442501 posted 02/11/07 09:01 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well, its all aluminum so it should be lighter.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442533 posted 02/11/07 11:50 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
do 2g's have that steering cut bullshit too?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442635 posted 02/11/07 06:58 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
yeah, hence the sensor on the top of pump.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442637 posted 02/11/07 07:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
the sensor see's pressure and raises your idle.
the cutout is mechanical



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442687 posted 02/11/07 08:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
interesting info



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442721 posted 02/11/07 10:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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do 2g's have that steering cut bullshit too?



steering cut?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442727 posted 02/11/07 11:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
where as it reduces the effect of the power steering pump itself as speed either speed or RPM's is increased, i cant remember which it is but it's supposed to make the wheel feel heavier at higher speeds making the car feel more stable and at lower speeds allow the wheel to turn freely for easy parking lot manuevering



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442731 posted 02/11/07 11:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
luke is speaking of the horrible PS cutout that occurs in racing situations mostly, where the pump cuts out causing extremely stiff steering for a second. I forgot what the cause was, but someone else could probably explain.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442739 posted 02/11/07 11:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
found on the talon digest about a guys 95 DSM:

Quote:

The PS pump contains a flow control valve which restricts pressure at high
RPM. It can be found by removing the hose connector at the top of the pump.
As the flow increases the valve closes and restricts pressure. The valve
is kept open by a spring. I simply inserted small washers until the spring
is fully compressed so the valve will never close.

I have been running my car for over a year now with no ill effects.





looks like i'll be cramming some washers in it tommorow
Wonder why i couldnt just simply remove the spring.. hmm



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442822 posted 02/12/07 09:21 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
the p/s cut is a huge pain in the ass in an autocross or in the snow when you are revving the engine and trying to turn.
i guess i'll just shove washers in mine too.
i like the aluminum pump though, i'll keep my eyes open for one.

i wonder if the 2g alternator is just as big of a piece of crap as the 1g one?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442831 posted 02/12/07 09:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yup, alternator is just as big a POS as it is on the 1g's

if you need a 2g PS pump i've got another entire assembly. lol. Pump, both pulley's, bracket. The only thing wrong with it is that sensor has the pin broke off it.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442842 posted 02/12/07 10:12 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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luke is speaking of the horrible PS cutout that occurs in racing situations mostly, where the pump cuts out causing extremely stiff steering for a second.




I've experienced that at high RPM heading into a corner and it feels like the steering wheel is set in concrete. This occurs in both 1G and 2G and the spools are different, but the fix is the same. Pull out the spool valve and insert a ring about 1/8 inch long cut off some hard tubing you have sitting around. After doing this the problem never came back. I found the info by Googling "RPM power steering cut out" or something like that.
Mike R.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442848 posted 02/12/07 10:36 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
did this require tearing the pump apart?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442861 posted 02/12/07 11:09 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
nah, you can do it on the car. just take the nut, then the stud out of the top.
i've actually read into this already, just haven't done it yet.
plus my p/s pump is every so slightly weeping fluid.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442862 posted 02/12/07 11:14 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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Pump, both pulley's, bracket.




So detail this for us. What parts did you have to change? Bracket? Pulleys because it uses ribbed belt not a V-belt?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 442897 posted 02/12/07 12:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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did this require tearing the pump apart?



Quote:

nah, you can do it on the car. just take the nut, then the stud out of the top.





I would think you could do it in the car. Since I wasn't sure how to dimension the ring and didn't want a lot of downtime while I screwed around with it I bought a used pump for $15 fixed the cutout on that one then swapped it in.
Mike R.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443129 posted 02/12/07 07:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quote:

Quote:

Pump, both pulley's, bracket.




So detail this for us. What parts did you have to change? Bracket? Pulleys because it uses ribbed belt not a V-belt?






need:
-2g inner water pump pulley to drive the power steering pump
-2g PS pump
-2g PS pump bracket
-2g belt .5 inches shorter than stock. I believe it's a 27in belt.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443150 posted 02/12/07 08:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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the p/s cut is a huge pain in the ass in an autocross or in the snow when you are revving the engine and trying to turn.







Edited by uh_oh_its_JEFF (02/28/07 08:47 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443248 posted 02/13/07 04:46 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i wonder how much power gain will the the 2g one makes due to the fact its a rib belt ( v belt robs power )
its free hp



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443274 posted 02/13/07 07:26 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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Quote:

the p/s cut is a huge pain in the ass in an autocross or in the snow when you are revving the engine and trying to turn.






What happens if you were trying to turn while revving high then your power steering went out. Fried pump?




no, the mitsu design bypasses the pump at high rpm. it pretty much turns the pump off when it nears redline.
its not bad for the pump, just makes it hard to drive.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 444013 posted 02/14/07 04:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Damn you guys I can't get a break.... something else to address for me to mod. I do have a serpentine 2.5 subaru one in the garage that has a tank on top.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 444017 posted 02/14/07 05:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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i wonder how much power gain will the the 2g one makes due to the fact its a rib belt ( v belt robs power )
its free hp


Yes, but since the you need a different size belt and different pulleys you forgot to take pulley size into account. Now the pump maybe under-driven or over-driven, so he actually maybe losing HP, or gaining more HP than you'd expect.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 444068 posted 02/14/07 07:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i'll check the pulley size tomorrow you OCD freaks.



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what if used in conjuction with a 2g underdrive pulley? definent gain then.



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