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tektic
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200002 posted 01/28/15 04:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My block surface was just resurfaced very smooth but there are still some slight scratches from previous decking. I'd like to use a Nippon mls and think this Hylomar product may be a better choice over the commonly used copper spray.






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Edited by tektic (01/29/15 10:23 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200033 posted 01/28/15 10:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i like to use Hondabond



i have been doing it like that for years. something an engine builder had told me (think maybe i seen Larry at Endyn post something?). had several others that say they do the same.

i dont like the copper spray, seen it make a mess in a cooling system, and it pissed me off.


i have also put headgaskets on virgin at others request. and never really had issues that didnt involve a slightly warped head to begin with.


edit: btw, that is a super thin layer. you probably dont want that squeezing out into the oil drain passages.



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Edited by turbohf (01/28/15 10:07 PM)

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Does Honda bond dry like glue?



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Wtf is Honda bond?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200058 posted 01/29/15 08:16 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just like yamabond only for Honda.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200064 posted 01/29/15 08:45 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting tektic:

Does Honda bond dry like glue?




no, it dries to a rubber.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200113 posted 01/29/15 04:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
There are two kinds, be sure it's the HT as shown the pics. The other stuff will run like goo at engine temp. I don't even know why they make it.

Also Honda Ultra Flange II is similiar but has better sealing capabilities, if used just right. Comes in a cheese can so it's easier to handle.

Like mentioned, use only a minimal layer on HGs due to squishing out into ports and drains. I personally don't like it and it makes me nervous, but I've heard and seen it done lots of times.

I've used this a lot and it works damn good. Smells like wet cardboard when used. Good example is a buddy of mine blew his HG on his 420A Turbo neon at the track. Coolant was a stream out the gasket. He had a can of this, so we pulled the head at the track, wiped it all down, sprayed this on and put it back together. Damn thing stopped leaking and drove 40 miles back the shop with no leak. (we still fixed it right after that)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200115 posted 01/29/15 04:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Can you really put the word Mopar on a can that also contains the phrase "There's no substitute for quality"?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200129 posted 01/29/15 06:57 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So what do you guys think of the updated pics in the first post?

I just moved the block into my basement and by handling it and a bunch of black crumbs started falling out. Spent the last three hours grinding and sanding flashing out of the block. What a mess. I sprayed with brake cleaner and ran some brushes through it but I think I'm going to have it jet washed again tomorrow.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200130 posted 01/29/15 07:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
was thinking about the Mopar sealer but forgot what they called it. had people swear by that stuff.


I used the Honda Ultra-flangeII on my oil pan on the Galant. good stuff also.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200145 posted 01/30/15 01:00 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah, Honda bond HT is the shit, but unfortunately it's not under production anymore. With good luck you can find old stock somewhere. I was working in a motorcycle shop for over 10 years(Honda..) and this was the only thing we used. Can be used even to surfaces without paper gasket.

Kent makes something similar, called Sili-gasket. We used that when Honda stopped shipping the Bond.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200171 posted 01/30/15 11:29 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
really? we have 5 of those on the shelf. computer days Portland warehouse has a bunch. you guys are getting boned.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200182 posted 01/30/15 12:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting GSTwithPSI:

Can you really put the word Mopar on a can that also contains the phrase "There's no substitute for quality"?




That's cause Mopar has someone make the sealant. The stuff is awesome. I haven't used it in a couple years and I think they have a new can design, so not sure if it's the same formula or not.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200184 posted 01/30/15 12:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
He is in Finland, btw.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200185 posted 01/30/15 12:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ahh, did not notice that.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200254 posted 01/30/15 11:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
All this hon/ yam bond you are talking about is made by click It's a bad idea to be putting anything on those surfaces in the block pics above. Whoever is teaching that practice needs to be spanked.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200257 posted 01/31/15 03:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting iceman69510:

He is in Finland, btw.




Could be also because of that. Some other Honda chemicals and all of the oils were also dropped some years ago, guess something to do with eu-restrictions. Then they started a new oil line locally in eu. But we were told that production had stopped for honda bond .



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200271 posted 01/31/15 08:57 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting G:

All this hon/ yam bond you are talking about is made by click It's a bad idea to be putting anything on those surfaces in the block pics above. Whoever is teaching that practice needs to be spanked.




I didn't ask about Hondabond. Hondabond is not an option. It is not going on my head gasket. Don't get me wrong it has it's place. It would probably work well on the valve cover gasket, but I digress.

The product I originally asked about is aerosol, designed for head gaskets, and designed not to dry. I guess no one here has any experience with it. It is made in the UK as far as I know. I saw some positive but brief mentions of it on other Mitsubishi boards but mostly over seas.

I did however ask for opinions on the surface finish of my block. The guy who did it says the MLS will seal fine clean and dry but I'd like a second opinion before I bolt down a new gasket dry again.

I have yet to see a comment on the surface finish.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200311 posted 01/31/15 12:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I use Permatex copper spray (readily available from your favorite local auto-parts store) on MLS HGs and have done so for years in cars that see 40psi+ boost levels with excellent results.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200316 posted 01/31/15 01:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
from the pictures it seems that the deck is a little rough for a MLS gasket. when you had it machined did you tell them you where going to be using an MLS gasket? with a fresh machined block and head a viton coated (like OEM or Cometic) MLS headgasket should have no problems at all being thrown on with a clean surface.

really adding a layer of Hondabond/Mopar/copperspray/whatever is just for the paranoid or the ones that are trying to hide an imperfect surface.


on my Galant when i put the 2.4L in it i just cleaned the block surface (brake clean and red scotchbrite), threw a virgin Cometic headgasket down, and topped it off with my fresh cleaned off machined head (for MLS).



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200318 posted 01/31/15 01:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i just took another close up look of the surface you posted. do those scratch looking marks catch your finger nail? or does it feel smooth? i have never machined an iron block/head, just aluminum. and those always seem to look super smooth when machined for MLS gaskets.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200343 posted 01/31/15 06:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Between holes 2 and 3 is the only rough patch. I can catch my finger nail in a few of those tooling marks. some are deeper than others. The rest of the surface is super smooth and so is the head.



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That is interesting. I hate to change what I have always done since it has worked....but, when I have the head off next week, I may try it dry.



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