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Diego

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I haven't posted much of any of the updates I've done this year. That an I haven't take many pictures to document my build.
Today me and Steve (92gvr4num65) did some pipe routing and radiator mount fabbing.

But in the last few months I've added the Evolution RS front and rear bumpers, deleted AC/PS/4WS/Cruise swapped over from Keydiver to V3Lite. I also dropped in PTE 880s and had my FP Green 50 rebuilt along with the PR front core with short route pipe and the Mishimoto 3" radiator .... Slowly but surely it's all coming back together.

For now what's left to finish is to cap the rear steer lines change out the gas float in the tank and start it up. I'm excited. And I will try to load some pictures from my Android that I don't have on my IPhone.







That's all for now

Diego
 

Brunoboy

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Diego, are you running a full PR kit? Or just the core?
 

Diego

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Shane, I'm just running the core... I have a L pipe from the hotside and a cold pipe that came off Grimms Vr4.
 

Diego

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Been doing a few small things. Tomorrow I am taking the core to have some tabs tigged on. Just a shot of the lights and grill mocked up with the core.
I'm not sure if I should cut my RS front bumper or leave the slats.
 

James

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Leave the slats.
 

LIV4PSI

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Another vote for leaving the slats
 

GSX_TC

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the people have spoken, slats stay! Lol
 

snailspool

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Looking good! Seems like it will be a potent and reliable setup! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/applause.gif
 

Diego

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It was reliable til the turbo sh*t. Which prompted the rebuild. Then I picked up the core and did a bunch of deleting.
 

Diego

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So quick update.

Turbo is on, exhaust is on, trunk is put back together, hood is on and so are the tires.

Waiting for a WB so I can set a start up tune and figure out the tuning gremlins.

Hopefully Friday I can start the car up, would it be horrible if I started without the WB hooked up? I have th WB O2 in the housing but not connected to the gauge.

Also best way to prime a turbo on the car? Was rebuilt and hasn't seen oil since and I don't want to trash anything.


Thanks guys I will add pictures soon.
 

transparentdsm

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i turn my crank by hand to prime my motor, i give it 2 full rotations with a 1/2 ratchet. as for the WB, if you have a stock o2 sensor for it to read off of as well then you can, if not then i wouldn't, you have no idea what amount of fuel is being put in the car and the ecu has no way to regulate how much goes in.
 

biglady112

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Turning you engine by hand does absolutely nothing towards priming your engine. It takes a certain amount of rpm to prime it. You would know this if you have ever primed an oil pump without the timing belt on. You could spin the motor a million times and it will have never created the correct amount of suction. And no stock ecu based system has the ability to self tune off a wideband signal. If you do not know the answer, please do not post and spread misinformation.
 
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To prime my engine I pack the oil pump full of engine oil and then spin the motor on the starter with the ignition and injectors disconnected (so it wont spark or dump fuel in there), enough turns say a few seconds at a time until the oil pressure lamp goes out. Thankfully it only takes a couple seconds usually, but have had one which took about 10 seconds to prime. I do the same when I do an oil/filter change too as it takes time to fill up the oil filter properly and pressure is built up.
 

GSTwithPSI

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Quoting transparentdsm:
i turn my crank by hand to prime my motor, i give it 2 full rotations with a 1/2 ratchet. as for the WB, if you have a stock o2 sensor for it to read off of as well then you can, if not then i wouldn't, you have no idea what amount of fuel is being put in the car and the ecu has no way to regulate how much goes in.

Quoting biglady112:
Turning you engine by hand does absolutely nothing towards priming your engine. It takes a certain amount of rpm to prime it. You would know this if you have ever primed an oil pump without the timing belt on. You could spin the motor a million times and it will have never created the correct amount of suction. And no stock ecu based system has the ability to self tune off a wideband signal. If you do not know the answer, please do not post and spread misinformation.





I'd like to see where the minimum RPM to produce oil flow in a 4G63 is specified? A gear pump works one way, that is, fluid in and then fluid out. As long as the sump is submerged in oil, and the gears are rotating, the oil pump will produce flow. Now, the flow may not be very substantial, but it will flow. Therefore, rotating the crank by had could absolutely prime the engine, although I would agree it's definitely not the most efficient way of doing so.

As far as the WB, Shane was referring to running a WB alone. Some people use the stock NBO2 in conjunction with an aftermarket WB. Some people get rid of the stock O2 sensor entirely, and use an aftermarket WB as the sole input to the ECU. If the OP is doing this, it wouldn't be wise to run the car without any O2 input, which is all Shane was trying to say. Clearly, you aren't very familiar with the practice, hence you entirely missing his point. What's funny is ECMlink IS a stock ECU based system, which absolutely has the ability to "self tune" using a WBO2 signal.
 
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biglady112

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I have been running for over seven years without any functioning o2 sensor. If you understand how to tune, making things run correctly without one should not be difficult at all. There is no way you could spin the motor fast enough and consistently enough to get pressure and flow to the lifters using just a ratchet. I know, I have tried. I doubt there is a specification, but it is a matter of fact. If you do not keep a constant speed, it will bleed back down.

Can you run a car in closed loop simulating the signal or using the narrow band output,sure but, it most certainly will not tune your car for you. Whoever is behind the keyboard absolutely has to do the work.

You clearly are not familiar with how things work. I have made over 800 proven wheel horsepower numerous times as well as put a DSM to 218mph. I know what I am talking about.
 

GSTwithPSI

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With the spark plugs removed, I can easily turn a motor by hand plenty fast. I've used a 1/2" speed wrench on a few occasions that come to mind. Sorry you couldn't make that happen for yourself.

In regards to your comment on the O2, you seem to have missed my point completely. He wasn't talking about simulation or anything even related to that. Shane was making a direct reference to using either 1 or dual O2 sensors in conjunction with ECMlink, and you seemed to miss that entirely. For someone who "knows how to tune", that is pretty commonly known, and seems like a pretty basic thing to let pass you by. Nobody was "spreading misinformation", you just didn't understand what he was saying.

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You clearly are not familiar with how things work. I have made over 800 proven wheel horsepower numerous times as well as put a DSM to 218mph. I know what I am talking about.

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Super cool résumé. You mean, that's all I have to do in order to know what I'm talking about? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />
 
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