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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1154948 posted 01/08/14 12:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Since Mueller doesn't share his secret sauce regarding spring rates and valving I can't tell you exactly. They are JIC springs, but the markings are gone, so I have no idea what the rates are. Perhaps a call to him could shed light on this.

From what I've heard from people that ran the off-the-shelf versions, they ride much like my old Tein HA's, which were bone jarring. The JIC's on my car now are much better behaved on city streets and country roads. Makes the car much more streetable. I had also heard about issues with the stock JIC's having issues with blown seals. There have even been a couple sets go through the forsale section here with blown dampers. This is why I wouldn't have given up my Teins for what would be a sidestep into something I don't feel is any better. Knowing Mueller's reputation, I figured these would be better than off-the-shelf and from what I can tell, they are.

As far as handling goes, I don't really have much to compare to other than fast twisties on country roads, but like I said, they are much better in that regard. They handled awesome at the autocross during IMSCC. I just can't compare them to my Teins since I hadn't autocrossed for like ten years.

I also like that if anything does happen with seals, or they just need freshened up, I can send them off to Mueller and have them rebuilt.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1154964 posted 01/08/14 02:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Street Surgeon:

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.



That is actually a great idea! I assume the front is the same for the GVR-4/DSM and 3000GT? The rear will be an issue as mentioned that the rear eye is a different size than that of the 3KGT. The kit is priced very well



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1154967 posted 01/08/14 02:45 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting KT:

Quoting fuel:

Quoting Street Surgeon:

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.



Doesn't the 3s have a larger ID for the rear bushing though? They would work if you were running 3s rear trailing arms though




Yes, this is true. I had my Teins rebuilt and they put the 3s bushing in and had to redo it.




How did you resolve the issue or did you send them back?
Was it just replacing the bushing?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1155009 posted 01/08/14 10:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting turbowop:

I suggest just getting some BC's from bobdole.




My most likely course of action



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160391 posted 02/18/14 12:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Did the seller give you proof they were muellerized? You have the OG 8k / 6k springs that came with them (purple). Muellerized are gray springs.

Here is a pic of the ends side by side. Note the e39a unit has a rubber bushing inside and has the metal sleeve to offset the mounting position. The thread is the same. Looks like m21 x 1.5. Center hole size is m20. So if you can find a metric ptfe spherical rod end your golden.






Quoting turbowop:

Since Mueller doesn't share his secret sauce regarding spring rates and valving I can't tell you exactly. They are JIC springs, but the markings are gone, so I have no idea what the rates are. Perhaps a call to him could shed light on this.

From what I've heard from people that ran the off-the-shelf versions, they ride much like my old Tein HA's, which were bone jarring. The JIC's on my car now are much better behaved on city streets and country roads. Makes the car much more streetable. I had also heard about issues with the stock JIC's having issues with blown seals. There have even been a couple sets go through the forsale section here with blown dampers. This is why I wouldn't have given up my Teins for what would be a sidestep into something I don't feel is any better. Knowing Mueller's reputation, I figured these would be better than off-the-shelf and from what I can tell, they are.

As far as handling goes, I don't really have much to compare to other than fast twisties on country roads, but like I said, they are much better in that regard. They handled awesome at the autocross during IMSCC. I just can't compare them to my Teins since I hadn't autocrossed for like ten years.

I also like that if anything does happen with seals, or they just need freshened up, I can send them off to Mueller and have them rebuilt.





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Edited by G (02/18/14 02:34 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160401 posted 02/18/14 01:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The guy I purchased them from is reputable and is the guy that owns the car that Mueller used to test his DSM Ohlins setup, which is the car that my JICs came off of. They were set up on his car by Mueller himself since he's local. Even had the lower front bracket holes modified to provide more possible negative camber if needed, so they're definitely not stock. The only reason he sold them was to upgrade to the new Muellerized Ohlins.

I'm not really sure what to tell you regarding spring color. I've seen purple and grey springs come on JICs from the factory. They used purple back in the day and from what I've seen, grey in more recent times for newer cars like the Evo. Maybe he kept the stock spring rates and changed only the damping. Or maybe back then other spring rates also came in purple. I'm not really sure.They certainly don't ride like the typical stiff Japanese spring coilover setup though.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160406 posted 02/18/14 01:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Another option is the kw's for evo 8/ 9. The bottoms are not threaded but for the guys who insist on welding they would be easier to mod/ weld.




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160446 posted 02/18/14 06:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
From the pic the 3s looks smaller. The e39a is 20mm.

Quoting fuel:

Quoting Street Surgeon:

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.



Doesn't the 3s have a larger ID for the rear bushing though? They would work if you were running 3s rear trailing arms though





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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160548 posted 02/19/14 10:31 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting turbowop:

The guy I purchased them from is reputable and is the guy that owns the car that Mueller used to test his DSM Ohlins setup, which is the car that my JICs came off of. They were set up on his car by Mueller himself since he's local. Even had the lower front bracket holes modified to provide more possible negative camber if needed, so they're definitely not stock. The only reason he sold them was to upgrade to the new Muellerized Ohlins.

I'm not really sure what to tell you regarding spring color. I've seen purple and grey springs come on JICs from the factory. They used purple back in the day and from what I've seen, grey in more recent times for newer cars like the Evo. Maybe he kept the stock spring rates and changed only the damping. Or maybe back then other spring rates also came in purple. I'm not really sure.They certainly don't ride like the typical stiff Japanese spring coilover setup though.




I know for a fact that you have the Muellerized JIC's. No doubt. I also had Muellerized JIC's in the 2g I had before and I don't recall the springs being gray. I believe they would just have custom rates from, JIC along with the dampening changes



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160551 posted 02/19/14 10:58 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks for all the info G. Nice thing about the KW and JIC's is that if you do weld, the area being welded can be protected very well. Way easier to keep the heat from the shock body.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160579 posted 02/19/14 01:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Worst case scenario you could have some of these threaded sleeves made for the bottom of the shock, and have them tapped for a standard of the shelf size/ thread for a new rod end. The evo shocks are beefier than the e39a.








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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160587 posted 02/19/14 03:27 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What does JIC recommend as the minimum threads for the lower threaded body for ride height?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160657 posted 02/19/14 10:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
FWIW i too have seen gin-u-wine muellerized JICs w/ purple springs.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160699 posted 02/20/14 12:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So after doing a little more research, the correct rod end needed is a m22 x 1.5. I have some feelers out to a few companies to try and find these but it may be a challenge. May have to be ordered from fluro in germany. >> click



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Edited by G (02/20/14 02:47 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160733 posted 02/20/14 07:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Street Surgeon:

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.




If you're a baller on a budget you could use those adapters with these >> click



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1161090 posted 02/24/14 10:53 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Found the one needed from fluro. The bearing is pre-loaded for motorsports use. Part # GAXSW22MS. It's not cheap, but the german made quality i'm sure is second to none.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242764 posted 05/31/18 09:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Updated links.
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