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a_santos
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56476 posted 02/17/03 09:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Hey guys,

The much heard about MAF translator is finnaly available for purchase. I do not know of anyone using it, hopefully I will be soon. Here is the link, or if you live in the Detroit area you can just go to Ramchargers.

http://www.ramchargers.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=29841&cgmenbr=541&cat1=29839&cat2=29840

And it is only $199. [Big Grin]

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gvr4ever
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56477 posted 02/17/03 10:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'd really like to know how to adjustment foe different size injectors. You gotta read the link to understand [Smile]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56478 posted 02/17/03 10:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
haha i get it. i was a little confused at first

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56479 posted 02/18/03 01:22 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
it phases out the s-afc, and 2g mas mod from what i read at dsmtuners and dsmtalk. if it works this would be great for people who runs 12's daily driver.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35397

and from mike himself
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81175

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a_santos
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56480 posted 02/18/03 05:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
It works and well. You will start seing AFCs go for cheap know. [Wink] But who wants one [Confused] I can't wait to get my hands on one of these kits. It is alos supposed to make the BOV almost as loud as one that just vents [Smile]
quote:
Originally posted by DongeR615:
it phases out the s-afc, and 2g mas mod from what i read at dsmtuners and dsmtalk. if it works this would be great for people who runs 12's daily driver.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35397

and from mike himself
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81175


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gvr4ever
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56481 posted 02/18/03 06:46 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That would be sweet. My plan is to have my car tunned this year.

If I only needed to add injectors, FMIC, and this MAF translator, it would really make it easy. And cheaper. I take it a GM air counter (MAF) is cheap?

quote:
Originally posted by DongeR615:
it phases out the s-afc, and 2g mas mod from what i read at dsmtuners and dsmtalk. if it works this would be great for people who runs 12's daily driver.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35397

and from mike himself
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81175


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a_santos
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56482 posted 02/18/03 04:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You can either run a 3" or a 3.5" GM MAF. You can buy at the dealer for about $100 or used at a junkyard for about $20.
quote:
Originally posted by gvr4ever:
That would be sweet. My plan is to have my car tunned this year.

If I only needed to add injectors, FMIC, and this MAF translator, it would really make it easy. And cheaper. I take it a GM air counter (MAF) is cheap?

quote:
Originally posted by DongeR615:
it phases out the s-afc, and 2g mas mod from what i read at dsmtuners and dsmtalk. if it works this would be great for people who runs 12's daily driver.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35397

and from mike himself
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81175



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56483 posted 02/18/03 09:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
or get it from your friends z28 who just realized he needed to upgrade when u offer him some bank [Big Grin]

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Ian M
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56484 posted 02/18/03 10:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by kartorium31:
or get it from your friends z28 who just realized he needed to upgrade when u offer him some bank [Big Grin]

Funny you mention that,theres a guy at my work who just upgraded the MAS in his WS-6 Trans Am..Ive been meaning to ask him about his old one.. [Wink]

On a related note: Have any of you noticed that on both DSMtuners and DSMtalk that that thread is four pages long,and is mostly the same damn questions being asked and answered OVER and OVER again?..If I read another (same) question about venting the damn blowoff valve,Im gonna puke. I imagine there's going to be a lot of 14 sec 16g cars with knarly sounding BOVs hitting the streets soon.. [Wink]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56485 posted 02/19/03 09:29 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Funny you mention that,theres a guy at my work who just upgraded the MAS in his WS-6 Trans Am..Ive been meaning to ask him about his old one..
Would be funny to beat his newly modified Trans Am with a car using his old MAS LOL! [Big Grin]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56486 posted 02/19/03 04:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I imagine there's going to be a lot of 14 sec 16g cars with knarly sounding BOVs hitting the streets soon.. [Wink] [/QB][/QUOTE]

what's wrong with the 16g?

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Ian M
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56487 posted 02/19/03 05:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
what's wrong with the 16g? [/QB][/QUOTE]


Im not knocking on the 16g. Im knocking on all the ricers who'll be buying the this mostly because they can make their BOVs louder. The guys who spend boatloads on a car that wont even out run a descent running 14b car.

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Ian M
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56488 posted 02/19/03 05:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by Frankypoo:
quote:
Funny you mention that,theres a guy at my work who just upgraded the MAS in his WS-6 Trans Am..Ive been meaning to ask him about his old one..
Would be funny to beat his newly modified Trans Am with a car using his old MAS LOL! [Big Grin]
Yeah,and actually making more horsepower with it too. [Smile] He's always talking smack about me having a Mitsubishi. Im letting him have his fun for now... [Wink]

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gvr4ever
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56489 posted 02/19/03 07:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Does Ramchargers make the MAF translator or just sell it? Has anyone on this list bought the MAF translator?

I wish they would have the vfaq up for something they have a price tag on. I'd really like to read more about it. I hope it is all it claims to be.

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Ian M
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56490 posted 02/19/03 10:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by gvr4ever:
Does Ramchargers make the MAF translator or just sell it? Has anyone on this list bought the MAF translator?

I wish they would have the vfaq up for something they have a price tag on. I'd really like to read more about it. I hope it is all it claims to be.

Bailey Engineering is the manufacturer,Ramchargers is the vendor. Jeff O. is supposed to be getting one to evaluate,Im curious to see the results. Check out the above links,in the threads,Mike L. of Ramchargers has pretty thoroughly explained it and stated that there will be a VFAQ page coming soon. A couple guys who have test units have posted and have had nothing but good things to say about it.

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blacksheep
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56491 posted 02/20/03 01:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I know keydiver will have some good input for us...

I am holding off on buying a new s-afc till I hear good or bad about this...

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Numberless
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56492 posted 03/08/03 02:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
They would probably sell twice as many if they called it the "BLOW OFF VALVE SOUND AMPLIFIER" instead of the MAF translator. Sad but true. [Smile]


I read through all 5 pages of questions and both posts that had answers, but I had a question for you guys.

Since I come from the 2g/AFC world and was never familiar with the hks VPC system, can one of you guys explain how tuning is different with this? I understand that the restricitive stock sensor is gone and some of the technical reasons why it is better, but I don't understand how the fine tuning is done.

When I had the AFC in my 2g, I would go out for a test run, datalog the run, write down the EGT and boost readings, and fine tune the settings on the AFC accordingly.

With this system, I imagine you go out and run the car, datalog it etc, but what then? I understand there are a couple knobs but how do they correspond to rpm/fuel readings? I guess I don't understand how just a couple knobs would be as good as an AFC type system where you have tuning adjustment at each rpm level. I just need some help understanding the real life method that you use to tune your car with the GM/maf translator.

I'm admittedly ignorant here, and just need some help understanding this. [Confused]

Thanks
Jon

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a_santos
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56493 posted 03/08/03 03:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
An AFC is only good because the stock ecu cannot understand the info it is reading because it is beyond it's parameters. The use of bigger injectors also disrupts ECU operation. With the MAF translator, it sets certain paremeter so they don't change, this includes temperature. A hotwire MAF is much simpler in operation than our stock MAS, and by setting certain paremeters, the translator can comunicate with our ecu. Also there are 3 fuel trims you can adujst with the MAF translator, low, medium, and high. The size of injectors can also be dialed in by percentage value, from smaller than stock and to larger than stock. This eliminates tuning that would normally have to be done to compensate for these changes. And to boot, it flows way more than a 2g MAS. This means better spoolup, more turbo and blow off valve noise, and more power. And all for $199 plus the sensor.

I will be getting mine very soon. [Razz]

quote:
Originally posted by Numberless:
They would probably sell twice as many if they called it the "BLOW OFF VALVE SOUND AMPLIFIER" instead of the MAF translator. Sad but true. [Smile]


I read through all 5 pages of questions and both posts that had answers, but I had a question for you guys.

Since I come from the 2g/AFC world and was never familiar with the hks VPC system, can one of you guys explain how tuning is different with this? I understand that the restricitive stock sensor is gone and some of the technical reasons why it is better, but I don't understand how the fine tuning is done.

When I had the AFC in my 2g, I would go out for a test run, datalog the run, write down the EGT and boost readings, and fine tune the settings on the AFC accordingly.

With this system, I imagine you go out and run the car, datalog it etc, but what then? I understand there are a couple knobs but how do they correspond to rpm/fuel readings? I guess I don't understand how just a couple knobs would be as good as an AFC type system where you have tuning adjustment at each rpm level. I just need some help understanding the real life method that you use to tune your car with the GM/maf translator.

I'm admittedly ignorant here, and just need some help understanding this. [Confused]

Thanks
Jon


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blacksheep
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56494 posted 03/08/03 04:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Abhay

let us know how it goes, I want one but wanna make sure its approved by some of the members.

With bigger injectors, will the s-afc be needed to fine tune trims?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56495 posted 03/08/03 05:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Mine will be here Monday. Along with all my other stuff...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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blacksheep
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56496 posted 03/08/03 07:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
1312VR4

hook it up and give us the downlow, bro!

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Numberless
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56497 posted 03/08/03 08:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by blacksheep:

With bigger injectors, will the s-afc be needed to fine tune trims?

Exactly what I was wondering.

EDIT: I answered my own long winded question. [Smile]

In any case we look forward to hearing how the tuning goes.

Thanks
Jon

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56498 posted 03/08/03 08:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So what intake tube are you planning on using and what filter since that MAF is MUCH bigger? Dejon or any others have any plans on making one for it or does it come with one.

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Numberless
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56499 posted 03/08/03 08:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I thought I'd post some of the most relevant info from those threads just to make this thread a bit more complete. The dsmtalk thread has a huge list of all of the cars which you can get the GM MAF from that you will need. Anyway, here are the comments that the ramchargers guys made about their product:

From mike at ramchargers:
"Here is the skinny on MAF's, we recommend and support 2 different units:
3" 25180303
3.5" 25179711"


"The unit can calculate fuel delivery based on airflow and rpm this gives quite a bit of flexability in fuel delivery it is very easy to tune and eliminates the need for an AFC to compensate for mods or different size injectors."

From Bob at ramchargers:
"The unit has 5 adjustments:

BASE 10% rich to 65% lean in 5% steps. use this adjustment to correct the entire range. This is the adjustment for injector size / fuel pressure/etc.

IDLE 35% rich to 35% lean in 5% steps. This adjustment is for compensating for open PCV, vaccuum leaks, fuel pressure problems, etc.

MID 35% rich to 35% lean, this adjusts the fuel delivery between 1 psi boost and 8 psi boost. Adjust for best response and spoolup.

WOT 35% rich to 35% lean, adjusts fuel delivery over 8 psi.

AUX 35% lean to 35% rich. this setting is factored in when trigger wire is energized. It can be used to add fuel for dry N2O applications or remove fuel for Alky or propane injection setups. "


"Injector size, adjustable from 10% smaller that stock to 65% larger in 5% steps. This will allow for fuel pressure variances and other factors. Install the injectors, set the base correction and go"

"Transitions:
idle = Airflow below 10 grams/sec and rpm below 1500

cruise = base setting

mid = boost > 2 psi, all RPMs

WOT = boost > 8 psi, all RPMs

for default mode (rpm signal not connected) then idle is MAF under 10 grams/sec, mid is airflow > 65 grams , WOT is airflow > 120 grams "


"Ok, the thresholds determine which adjustment dials are being used for airflow correction. The dial selection thresholds are dependent on the RPM signal, the correction factors are not.

Base is always used since it sets the basic injector correction.

at idle you get base + idle correction
at cruise you get just base
at 'mid' you get base + mid
at WOT you get base + wot
if the trigger wire is activated, wot = base + wot + AUX.

We estimate boost using a fancy calculation that takes into account the engine operating conditions (one of which is RPM).
(like the stock ECU does to determine what to do with the boost gauge)

Without the RPM signal connected, we can only select the proper adjustment dial using airflow."

This is what their website says about it:
"The MAF Translator will allow the use of a GM MAF sensor on the 1G Talon and Eclipse turbo cars. This low restriction unit will drasticly improve spool up time and air flow. The Translator will also allow for full fuel control so that you may tune your car for changing conditions or modifications. You may also compensate for different injector sizes when you reach the time for an upgrade. Simple plug in installation plus 1 wire tap is all you will have to do. A 3 sensor, cone filter and the Translator can be installed in about 20 minutes on the stock flex hose in the stock location. Fuel tuning has never been easier and with this installed you should see a significant performance improvment. We have the sensors, filters, silcone transition hoses and whatever you may need to complete the installation. If you have questions you may call us toll free at 888 293 7267 or send an email question to us at DSM HELP The translator comes with complete instructions on how to get started using it. When installed on a 1G car the Translator allows you to chose from a 3 sensor from the Impalla SS or the 3.5 sensor from the LS1 F-Body. "

The site is www.ramchargers.com
Click on dsm performance
click on tuning
click on translator

Hope having all this in one place helps.
Jon

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Numberless
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 56500 posted 03/08/03 09:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
By the way, I think the "mid" adjustment will be great. Tuning for spool up was such a pain in the ass with the AFC even with a logger, I just could never get it quite right. I imagine this will make is much easier.

Jon

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