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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 276953 posted 11/17/05 11:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I was looking up the part number for an igntion wire set when I came across this on NGK's web-site.


WIDEBAND

It's around $300 direct from NGK which sounds like a good deal. Now for the bad news, a replacement sensor is $170 so I don't know if it's still such a deal.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 276979 posted 11/17/05 11:37 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      

+1 for a trusted brand.
Don't we have an NGK dealer on this board?
Think the 5v analog output can be used as a stock replacement? I'd love to be able to just swap out sensors without having to get a bung welded to my downpipe.

On a side note, is there a way to log wide-bands on a laptop? I still use the TMO software and would love to continue using it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277184 posted 11/17/05 06:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
looks good, i may try one. i can get ngk stuff cheap, i'll have to check pricing.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277195 posted 11/17/05 06:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
See what you can find. I may be interested.

John



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277234 posted 11/17/05 08:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Good find! Wouldn't mind having one of those...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277245 posted 11/17/05 08:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
God friggen damnit. One day, ONE DAMN DAY after I buy the AEM. Crap.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277249 posted 11/17/05 08:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Eh, I'm still not sold on this NGK system since the sensor is $100 more than the AEM one is. Innovate sensor is also only $80. I'm VERY curious to see what G can get them for since it really looks like an awesome deal on the initial purchase but an extra $100 everytime you need a sensor seems a little steep. On the other hand I guess for the small amount of time that I run leaded fuel the sensor would probably last for years and years.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277278 posted 11/17/05 09:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That is the NTK sensor. They are a proven part. Said to be much tougher than the Bosch. They began using NTK UEGOs on the civic lean burn D series (civic vx) over a decade ago. The innovate unit uses a sensor from BOSCH that's found on a number of Audi/VWs. The market for those sensors used to be much better. They list for a little more than 50 and cost about 39$. They have the life expectancy that a light bulb would (in your exhaust system) in some cases. I have a friend that has gone in for no less than a half dozen O2 sensor replacements for his VW. They have very sensitive heater circuits. This thread might just cover everything that the previous wide band thread did a couple days ago.

http://www.galantvr4.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB3&Number=275505&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1

As far as the ECU stuff goes, no, the ECU doesn't recognize a 0-5v oxygen sensor input intrinsically. It could be made to do so with code changes. If you want to log your wide band, set it up on the unused EGR temp input on the ECU and log that variable. This is documented on the yahoo ECU group.


Edited by Lucian Bartik (11/17/05 09:59 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277289 posted 11/17/05 10:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ditto on Lucian's post. I run a Tech Edge WB on my Typhoon. Ver. 1.5 that used the NTK sensor. IIRC it cost me $185 for the sensor. Ver. 2.0 has since changed to the cheaper Bosch sensor. I run mine 8 inches from the turbo exhaust housing and never had overheating problems. My buddy runs the LM-1 WB on his turbo Rabbit and his Bosch sensor is over 3 ft. away from the turbo and has overheatong problems. He ended up having to buy a heatsink for it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277556 posted 11/18/05 02:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quote:

On a side note, is there a way to log wide-bands on a laptop? I still use the TMO software and would love to continue using it.




Try this version:
http://www.dsmchips.com/~keydiver/Tmolog16_03.zip
I think I included the instructions for how to scale the EGR input to log other things.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277579 posted 11/18/05 02:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i'm on my 3rd bosch sensor...It is mounted approx at the bend in the down pipe where it goes horizontal. I might have to move it...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277619 posted 11/18/05 04:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have had the Bosch unit in my test pipe for over a year. it still calibrates easily.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277632 posted 11/18/05 05:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i like the display but i think the Zeitronix WB02 w/ LCD screen is a better because you get A/F ratio, A/F Voltage, Boost, and EGT; all of which are on the one screen



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 277716 posted 11/19/05 07:40 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I like the Zeitronix; seems that you get a lot for $400 and can eliminate the cost of buying and the clutter of extra guages for boost, EGT. http://www.zeitronix.com/index.html


Edited by bob in chicago (11/19/05 07:41 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 278058 posted 11/20/05 08:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Will a wide-band help me tune in closed loop, or only in open loop/WOT.?
Just wondering as I need to tune out some part throttle knock issues.
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