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Re: Bolt on GVR4 front mount intercoolers


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1223674 posted 02/03/16 08:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Add me to the interested list. I've got a bone stock car, but I'm in Texas... Willing to help out though if you need.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224254 posted 02/14/16 02:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
For anyone following this and interested, I just want to check in and let you all know I do still fully intend to pursue this! I have been very busy with my personal car lately and need to get that out of the shop before I can work on this stuff.

I still need to find a Galant to mock this stuff up on but i think when im ready i could probably find one. I intend to do a bit more than just a few of these on the side, infact i plan to kick off my own business very soon, offering several different fabricated parts for this community and others. One of my biggest hurdles right know is finishing designing my company logo so that I have a name on the parts I will be selling.

For anyone interested please do me a favor and send me a PM so I can get an idea of how many people are seriously interested as of now.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224288 posted 02/15/16 07:37 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I will be looking for FMIC to use with stock frame turbo setup once I get the car running. Wish I was closer, you could have used mine for mock up since it just sits there being sad and stock.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224342 posted 02/16/16 08:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
im in for a quality kit. Less cutting the better. Ready to buy ASAP.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224351 posted 02/17/16 12:14 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Looking at ordering a couple cores to get a couple of these made for the guys that are real eager. I have decided, no cheap ebay cores, I will be looking for something quality.

Been doing lots of research, and Im not as happy with Treadstone as I thought I was. Mainly looking at garret and precision cores, looking at around $350 for a core, this really drives up the price... Can I get some opinions on this? I want to keep the price affordable but I do not want my name being associated with a crap intercooler. Really looking for a middle ground here where performance and cost even out, but I'm not having much luck.

I value your opinions, I dont want to go through the effort of designing and building a kit that no one is happy to buy.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224420 posted 02/18/16 08:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I would skip the eBay junk. I have no problem paying more for quality stuff. What is the ball park with a quality core for a stock housing turbo ?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224440 posted 02/19/16 09:12 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
From the information I have gathered, a quality core is going to cost around $400, this makes it pretty much impossible for me to even compete with companies like ETS who use the same quality core but buy them dirt cheap in large quantities. At that price I could barely afford to sell a finished intercooler(not even the piping) for $550, in my opinion that's way too much. I am wanting to keep the entire kit, including all the piping, couplers and hardware around $600-700 with a quality core.

The quality of the core in my opinion comes down to the fin pack design, which determines how efficient the core is. Like I mentioned earlier, I have no issue with the quality of the material or manufacturing of the Chinese cores I have used previously, they just have a terrible straight through fin design which is great for low pressure differential but is terrible for cooling characteristics.

I have some emails out currently trying to source cores with a good fin pack design for a decent price.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224458 posted 02/19/16 09:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
going against everything in this thread but I have a 3.5" ETS setup and was wondering if anyone has tried using a vr4 setup on a dsm. I have way too much money into the kit to sell and buy a dsm kit and UPS damaged the outlet on the core. I know the middle hanger mount isn't centered on the core but are the side mounts close?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224466 posted 02/20/16 07:59 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Could you modifie evo8 intercoolers / piping to make them more of a bolt on ? That would probably be the best bang for the buck for people not wanting to spend 700+ and still be a huge improvement over stock



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224482 posted 02/20/16 09:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes, I plan on making piping kits and mounts to make evo 8 intercoolers bolt on, I already have an intercooler. My biggest issue is finding a stock or relatively stock galant locally...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224502 posted 02/21/16 09:35 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Are evo8's plentiful enough to find though? I would think wven an ebay bar and plate is a huge improvement over an evo cooler.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224512 posted 02/21/16 12:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I see them between $50-$100 quite often. I would much rather provide a quality pipe kit that fits an oem intercooler than provide a cheap eBay intercooler that people will give me bad reviews about.

I think I have found a good design core for a decent price. Hopefully I can make some progress on these very soon.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224519 posted 02/21/16 02:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting jepherz:

Are evo8's plentiful enough to find though? I would think wven an ebay bar and plate is a huge improvement over an evo cooler.




^Agreed.

The core specs, core design, fin density, and end tank design are what really matter, not necessarily who makes it. I think most people would be hard pressed to show a measurable difference in performance between a name brand intercooler, and a well designed Ebay core. All the cores are coming form the same fucking factory in China anyways, so I have a hard time paying the markup when you're not really getting anything more for your money.

I had my setup built around an aftermarket "Ebay" Evo 8 core, and it performs awesome.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224525 posted 02/21/16 03:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Treadstone is what JPC uses in the Coyote turbo kit. Flows pretty good for up to 1000 hp for my buddy. They had to switch it out because it created too much backpressure with the 3" inlet and outlet above 18 psi I believe. But at that psi he was over 1000 hp.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224532 posted 02/21/16 04:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You are correct, the design of the core is everything and like I mentioned previously, i have had no issues with quality of my ebay core. I have had no luck finding a well designed core on eBay they are all straight through fin design, if you know of one, please share.

I will be testing out some different core designs and endtank designs to see what works best before settling on a final design.

I plan to put together a piping kit that allows fitment of an evo 8 intercooler. If people want to use that kit with a used stock evo 8 intercooler that is fine. If they want to use the kit with an ebay evo 8 intercooler thats fine also. My point here is that I will only be offering the pipeing kit only which leaves the quality of the intercooler up to the end user.

I will also be offering a full bolt intercooler kit that will compete with what ETS has now discontinued. In order to do this I need a well designed core that performs like the ETS core. Like I have said before, I would like to keep the price low, but I have decided I am not going to sacrifice quality or performance. My main concern is offering a product that performs very well, since we no longer have the option of buying such a kit from ETS, and I beleive I can get close to this and save everyone some money. If you are looking to save a few bucks then I will have the piping available to be used with an off the shelf ebay evo intercooler.

Horsepower ratings are generally only taking into account flow. Just because a motor produces 1000hp with a certain intercooler does not necessarily mean it is efficient at cooling. Intercooler's primary function are cooling, and having a straight through fin design that flows well with low back pressure is not going to cool as well as an intercooler with a staggered fin design. There must be a balance between the two.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224539 posted 02/21/16 07:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I completely agree. You'll probably be hard pressed to find an Ebay core that's not a straight through design. That's pretty common for the lower end cores. As you know though, that's also the difference between many of the name brand cores that use staggered fin packs and such, which makes for a much more efficient core. Hence, one of the reasons for the huge price tag on the ETS cores. I think the list of cores you posted earlier covered a pretty good range of quality vs. price.

The straight through fin designs aren't all bad. They are less efficient, but like you said, they flow better with less pressure drop. Getting the best of both worlds takes a lot of R&D, which again, is why ETS kits cost a fortune. Their cores are made for specific platforms, which each use tailored core designs.

Overall, I think some of the lower end cores would perform well enough for most builds I've seen here. If you pair up a lower end core with good short route piping and well designed end tanks, you'll have a setup that performs nicely for a reasonable price. Finding a balance between price, quality, and performance that pleases the masses is gonna be difficult, though. You got your work cut out for you, that's for sure.

If it were me, I'd concentrate on making a kit that appeals to the most people by incorporating the following:

-Works on both JDM and USDM bumpers
-Short route piping that doesn't require cutting
-Retains A/C
-Can be easily configured for a recirc BOV or SD

...I'd buy the shittiest Ebay core ever if it had a set of Jeverts' end tanks on it



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224553 posted 02/21/16 10:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've used plenty of ebay cores, and they have done the job just fine for most drag racing/street applications.

I'd make the argument that a quality core's performance will only be noticed by someone who road races, so WOT at 20 mins sessions. If the car isn't used in such an aggressive, long time period I don't believe a driver will notice the difference from a $100 dollar core to a $500 dollar core of same dimensions and end tanks.

Road Race Engineering has a good write up making a similar argument, claiming the performance gains from a larger core on the street were mostly due to the fact the core had the ability to absorb more heat in a faster manner, and any aero-cooling effects were not even noticed.

That being said, I am not saying "ebay parts are best!" I'm just saying the difference in performance will be only noticed on a circuit track. Good luck with the kit!


P.S.-- I had the same idea to make a IC kit for the forum, but you did beat me it to it and since I try to live life not as a huge jerk I won't be attempting to make a kit to compete with yours OP. (Unless you decide to 100% give up on this idea, then please let me know!). Since I had a similar idea, I'll share this quick thought.

The stock EVO 8/9 end tanks force your hand with IC pipe routing. If you offering a package, I think it'd be a better product for the forum to either

a) buy evo 8/9 cores and modify them for your kit or b) buy evo 8/9 cores off of ebay, and modify them. Good luck, the community needs this! It's looking well thought out and promising so far!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224971 posted 03/01/16 05:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Hi I'm near you in Eugene OR and need intercooler +piping . Pot said to contact you. I have a JDM intercooler of sorts but piping sucks and I want to use original fog lights. PM me please

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1224977 posted 03/01/16 06:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
They don't manufacture the tubing anymore so they probably just have left over intercooler inventory . I cant believe they are manufacture them per order. If you get enough orders here to take all of ETS inventory for Gvr4 and sell a crap load of piping with them. I'm sure they will give you a hell of a price if you move them onto the board. Their inventory may be so limited you will be making them in no time.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1225346 posted 03/08/16 09:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
any updates on this?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1225349 posted 03/08/16 10:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have a 24x8x3.5" vibrant core on the way. Found a nice local Galant owner to let me have has car for mock up of the intercooler kit. I hope to have something sorted out soon.

I will be mocking up with stock turbo and also with a bottom mount holset on an aftermarket t3 manifold. More info when I get the car here in the shop and start working on it.

I also have a sample core that I spec'd out, will be interesting to see the quality and finish of that core, could be a good option for us.

None the less, parts on the way with a car for mock up lined up!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1225450 posted 03/11/16 10:42 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Sweet. Thanks for the update.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1226245 posted 04/01/16 07:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
checking in for some updates



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1226338 posted 04/03/16 10:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The car for mock up is planned to be delivered this coming weekend, should be able to start on it soon after.

If you are ready for an intercooler kit, please pm me and let me know exactly what your current setup is so I can ensure it fits.

The goal is to come up with a setup that I can swap single pieces out of depending on what your specific setup is. But for the time being I will make them somewhat custom to each order to ensure they work perfect and get everyone's input.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1226367 posted 04/04/16 03:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
I called ETS last week to hear it from the horse' proverbial mouth to confirm a few things. One, they no longer offer the piping kit to go w/ their galant vr4 specific core. Two, they disposed of their jig and/or didn't make one. Three, not even a group buy will resurrect their piping kit. Therefore you can 100% count me in. If you rip off their design or improve upon it that'd be for the better.

If you'd like a deposit please let me know. I'm looking for a piping kit to match my EVO III 16g and clear my factory A/C. I would also look to you for an intake tube but I'll hold squat on that until I transition to Speed Density. In the interim I'd like my piping to clear a possible intake fabricated by yourself.

In addition, I would preferably like to use a 2-216 Spearco Core in lieu of any other core/brand. Please let me know if this is a reality. This message may have been better relegated to a Personal Message however I wanted to share my experiences and thoughts on this matter with the other gents on here. Please advise



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