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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121520 posted 05/03/13 02:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ok so I'm redoing all the suspension on my car and I want to spray the chassis with some under coat I went to my local auto part store and these are the options they got now the question is which two choose all three of these guys make great products.

Anybody here have any experience with these three or know of a better brand?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121526 posted 05/03/13 02:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
of those 3, 3M!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121543 posted 05/03/13 04:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So 3M it is any ideas on about how many of theses cans I should get to spay a nice even coat?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121551 posted 05/03/13 04:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So you are spraying the body of the car? Not any of the suspension components right?

Just know that there is undercoating, and rubberized undercoating. I believe plain undercoating just looks like a black tar like covering. Where as the rubberized stuff has the lumpy texture to it. The rubberized stuff is supposed to provide more protection and sound reduction.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121556 posted 05/03/13 05:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
No im not going to spray any of the suspension parts but I will be giving it a fresh paint job im perrty much replacing all the bushings and im ganna have to drop the front and rear subframe so thats why im trying to spray it I would like the rubberized stuff now that you brought it up.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121565 posted 05/03/13 07:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I used the rubberized 3M stuff. Works great. Make sure you clean under there. I used a pressure washer first, then simple green and then pressure wash again.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121578 posted 05/03/13 09:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I also used the rubberized 3M stuff when I used to own 893. And I did exactly to a tee what Bob Dole said except I used "Purple Power." My degreaser of choice. Referencing the FSM, I used exactly what the book cited which was: 3M ATD Part No.8864. Unfortunately when using this stuff though, you need a couple things:

- paint gun
- an air compressor
- reducer/dilluter

When done though it looks pretty damn good and durable I think. I wish I had some pictures to share sadly I never took any.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121585 posted 05/03/13 10:45 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
dont forget to post pics.. I'm curious as to how it comes out.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121623 posted 05/04/13 11:07 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Be warned though, it will stink. Use the 3m stuff only. The other stuff will breakdown when you get oil on it. Believe me. Be sure to give it a few days to dry, worst thing is getting it on your arm hair.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121650 posted 05/04/13 02:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Pot:

I also used the rubberized 3M stuff when I used to own 893. And I did exactly to a tee what Bob Dole said except I used "Purple Power." My degreaser of choice. Referencing the FSM, I used exactly what the book cited which was: 3M ATD Part No.8864. Unfortunately when using this stuff though, you need a couple things:

- paint gun
- an air compressor
- reducer/dilluter

When done though it looks pretty damn good and durable I think. I wish I had some pictures to share sadly I never took any.






I checked out that 3M stuff about how many Bottles/Quarts did you end up using for the VR4 just wonder cause that stuff is about 33 bucks a pop.

And the Paint gun can it be any paint gun or does it have to be a special one?

@luis84one Will do on the Pics might be a while put ill post up my process as I go on.

@Prove it I'll defiantly take that into consideration I honestly never messed with the stuff before so thanks for the heads up.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121652 posted 05/04/13 02:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I used one whole bottle and about 3/4 of the second one. I laid it on pretty thick from "behind" the front crossmember to just before the gas tank. I think you could get away w/ one bottle but I'd order two to be safe. But it really depends on how much of the chassis you want to undercoat like wheel wells, behind brake/steering lines, etc.

Also, shop around as I paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $22.00 I'm no expert but I'd maybe give the folks at this link a call about sq ft coverage:

3M Company 8864 Body Schutz

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121655 posted 05/04/13 03:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Alright so Ill just get 2 bottles then to be on the clear side and will any paint gun do or is there a special purpose built one required?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121663 posted 05/04/13 04:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
There is a special purpose built 3M gun which is in the link I forwarded you:

applicator gun, part number 08997

That gun was pretty damn expensive but I didn't pay nearly near what the site at that link is advertising. Contact or wait for other forum members to chime in or visit a body shop because I'm by no means an expert. The 3M gun has pretty big mouth mouth/nozzle/dispenser compared to your HVLP/LVHP paint gun. You get what you pay for and since you have most of the suspension removed might as well do it right the first time despite the expense. Don't forget the reducer/dilluter too.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121686 posted 05/04/13 08:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
that stuff is awesome. Look here >> click it recommends the gun and application wand. That wand is handy.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121705 posted 05/04/13 09:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks for the link G that gun is a whole lot cheaper than the 3M gun I might just order this tonight is the wand worth the extra 25 bucks I dont really know what it does.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121710 posted 05/04/13 10:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Dude, read man do some research. If you click on the wand icon it explains that it is for hard to reach area's as its flexible and 36" in long. Also, the link I forwarded you is just to get some ideas running for you.

If you do the research you can find the 3M mighty cheap, you just gotta do some diggin.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121718 posted 05/04/13 10:58 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well im at work right now so its kind of hard to read a review on a little 2in window while still doing my work but I am going to doing some research as soon as I get some time off.

But what I was asking is will I be using that wand alot or is it ganna be one of those things I use one or two times and be done with it and could of spent 25 dollars else were you know.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121722 posted 05/04/13 11:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I understand -That whack town you reside in must be SoCal. Realistically it depends how thorough and meticulous of a job your trying to accomplish. If your not taping off areas and plan on just hitting the undercarriage from front to rear subframe less wheel wells than your less likely to need the wand in my opinion. I'd personally use it if I had only the rear subframe attached and I wanted to get in behind fuel/4WS lines.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121863 posted 05/06/13 03:22 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well Front and Rear subframe are both coming out since im getting the Boostx and Energy suspension master bushings kit I ended up going with this gun click now I just need the reducer/diluter.



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Edited by Vr4junkie (05/06/13 03:22 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121899 posted 05/06/13 09:39 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Does one remove all the brake and fuel lines and then spray over, or do you just coat them while attached.

VR4Junkie - Please let us know what reducer you go with it etc, I would really love to do this to mine. Thanks!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1121947 posted 05/06/13 03:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Will do blacksheep I will be taking a trip to my local Napa Auto Parts/Paint store tomorrow after noon to see what they got and recommend.


I would like to remove All the lines then shoot the under coat and paint All the lines Black to give it a clean look they told me they got an automotive industrial gloss black paint oil/corrosive resistance kind of paint so might go with that for the suspension parts and lines.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122177 posted 05/07/13 03:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So I just got back and this is what they got but they don't know if this is the right kind for this product so I'm ganna have to ask around.






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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122870 posted 05/10/13 02:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ok just got these in the mail and I been reading the bottle top to bottom and says nothing about reducer or diluter I just got off the the phone with 3M technical support and they say to use this product straight off the bottle.

So blacksheep hope that answers your question.

Pot not sure if this product has changed over the years were you dont need any reducer hope I make it with these two bottles.

But ill keep you guys posted on updates when ever I get around to it.






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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122883 posted 05/10/13 04:12 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Hmmm, that is interesting. I used it straight out of the bottle the first time however it clogged my 3M gun. As in I had to use paint thinner to clean out the nozzle it was so bad. This was at 3 different air pressure settings starting from 90, 60, and 30 respectively. The Carolina heat in the dead of summer may have had something to do with it as well. I wound up adding about 4 - 6 shot glasses of an off the shelf reducer from the local auto store and that stopped the clogging. I undercoated 893 in the summer of 2008 so I don't think the product has changed all that much. It could also have had to do with sitting on my shelf for at least 6 months too.

I bet had I called the 3M technical support line I wouldn't have had the above issue. I just encourage you to take a few practice runs on a spare trailing arm or something and be prepared in case your gun clogs.


Edited by Pot (05/10/13 04:15 PM)

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