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Re: standalone ecu?


alansupra94
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983918 posted 04/11/11 12:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have researched almost every ECU system. The Vipec is not capable of controlling an automatic transmission, end of story. It cannot switch and change maps on the fly based off a ethanol sensor like Pro-EFI. I am not saying it is a bad system but it is far from the BEST or PERFECT system. Pro-EFI is above it along with Motec because of CAN interfacing alone.

Also I would like to see sources for that the AEM EMS is based off a "honda ecu". You just state this information without actually backing it up. I know tons upon tons of shops that still use AEM and have tons of success. Most of the "problems" with AEM EMS comes from improper setup and tuning.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983930 posted 04/11/11 01:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I own 2 Galant VR-4's both with AEM EMS Standalone. Tuned and built by me.

Not the best standalone but good bang for the buck.

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alansupra94
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983955 posted 04/11/11 02:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^^^^^^^^^

Exactly. They are good for the normal needs. I bought an AEM EMS for my VR4 because it was cheap and plug and play. Cost me LESS than my DSMLink V3 so it was a no brainer. Sure they aren't the best of the best but are a great budget standalone that offers automatic transmission control.

I honestly could have gone with a Motec M4 but didn't feel like doing all that wiring work only to never use all those features.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 984054 posted 04/11/11 07:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
pro efi FTW



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 984074 posted 04/11/11 08:45 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I never post in tech section unless I have first hand knowledge of something that I know will be beneficial to the discussion but I have to ask the OP, one of your comments you mentioned you are not technical savy so you will let someone else explain the badassery of such and such ems. My question is this, what is your goal for your car that you cannot reach with a more simple system like ECMTuning (formerly dsmlink)?

Why the need to jump to a complete stand alone such as autronic, pro efi or aem, all of which are above your head and probably overkill unless you are buiilding a full out race car.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 984076 posted 04/11/11 08:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
We run DTA F.A.S.T in our Evo 8 race car. When we strapped it to the dyno, on the 3rd or 4th pull we were over 800 awhp. We stopped @ 999 because we ran out of fuel on e98 & 4 2100cc injectors. We ran the car @ 900awhp to a best of 9.1? @ 160. The car could have gone high 8's on that pass but one of the bov was starting to come apart & the car lost 10 psi up top causing the power to drop off. AEM still has that slow cranking start. I think they fixed the loosing maps issues they were having because we haven't seen it happening with customers cars anymore. As long as you choose a stand-a-lone with the options you want @ the price you want to pay, you'll be alright. We have traction control, boost by speed, launch control & don't require an additional/piggyback ignition system.

When the car comes back out this year, it will have 8ea 2100cc injectors, dry sump, beefed up rearend, a Shep PPG dog box & a few hundred more horsepower. Even though it was initially setup for Nitrous, we haven't ran it with spray yet. It's a straight 2.0L.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 984093 posted 04/11/11 09:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ugh what is your big hang up on auto trans control? Gvr4 never came with autos and if you wan't to keep the pissing match going please feel free to pm me because the bickering is killing the op's thread.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 984271 posted 04/12/11 11:36 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Actually I think GVR4s did have an automatic model ... but that's kind of beside the point!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 984342 posted 04/12/11 03:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Enough pissing match. Stay on topic and answer the OP's question(s) please.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 985133 posted 04/14/11 06:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting 3of1000:

I never post in tech section unless I have first hand knowledge of something that I know will be beneficial to the discussion but I have to ask the OP, one of your comments you mentioned you are not technical savy so you will let someone else explain the badassery of such and such ems. My question is this, what is your goal for your car that you cannot reach with a more simple system like ECMTuning (formerly dsmlink)?

Why the need to jump to a complete stand alone such as autronic, pro efi or aem, all of which are above your head and probably overkill unless you are building a full out race car.


building a full out race carno im not building an all out race car but close. yes it may be overkill but i like to have rather than have not. this goes with anything i do. for example i own a $2000 bass guitar and over 1000 watt amp and i don't play in a band, i have a 55" led tv thats in a room that measures 12'x 12' because it was a few hundred bucks more than a 40", i have a 7' monitor lizard, i only drink top shelf liquor, the list goes on and on. if im gonna spend money on something it will most likely be the best of the best. i didn't go and buy an ems on a whim, i posted here first for some insight because on this subject I AM OUT OF MY LEAGUE. as for my goals, im looking to break the 9sec mark in my full weight street vr4.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 985141 posted 04/14/11 06:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
thank you. of course everyone is going to have their opinion so i figured i would take bits and pieces to do some research on and formulate my own. i may not be all that savvy when it comes to tuning an engine that does not mean my car doesn't deserve it! what system are you running #3?
Quoting 3rdstrikedsm:

Ugh what is your big hang up on auto trans control? Gvr4 never came with autos and if you wan't to keep the pissing match going please feel free to pm me because the bickering is killing the op's thread.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 985415 posted 04/15/11 04:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting VR-4 Whore:

Quoting 3of1000:

I never post in tech section unless I have first hand knowledge of something that I know will be beneficial to the discussion but I have to ask the OP, one of your comments you mentioned you are not technical savy so you will let someone else explain the badassery of such and such ems. My question is this, what is your goal for your car that you cannot reach with a more simple system like ECMTuning (formerly dsmlink)?

Why the need to jump to a complete stand alone such as autronic, pro efi or aem, all of which are above your head and probably overkill unless you are building a full out race car.


building a full out race carno im not building an all out race car but close. yes it may be overkill but i like to have rather than have not. this goes with anything i do. for example i own a $2000 bass guitar and over 1000 watt amp and i don't play in a band, i have a 55" led tv thats in a room that measures 12'x 12' because it was a few hundred bucks more than a 40", i have a 7' monitor lizard, i only drink top shelf liquor, the list goes on and on. if im gonna spend money on something it will most likely be the best of the best. i didn't go and buy an ems on a whim, i posted here first for some insight because on this subject I AM OUT OF MY LEAGUE. as for my goals, im looking to break the 9sec mark in my full weight street vr4.




Calm down there Mr. most interesting man in the world dos equis beer guy. Just wondering why you thought you needed to jump straight to the top dog stuff. I was not trying to offend you. If you are as pimp as you say you are and you want the best then get a motec or pro efi and skip all the inferior stuff.

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alansupra94
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 985442 posted 04/15/11 04:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
At the end of the day, the OP needs to sit down and figure out what you need/want and then pick an ECU that is right for you. Until then, all everyone else is basically almost irrelevant because we don't know what he wants so we don't know what is a priority feature wise and what isn't.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 985450 posted 04/15/11 05:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting alansupra94:

At the end of the day, the OP needs to sit down and figure out what you need/want and then pick an ECU that is right for you. Until then, all everyone else is basically almost irrelevant because we don't know what he wants so we don't know what is a priority feature wise and what isn't.




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 985463 posted 04/15/11 06:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i didnt take offense harry, just letting you know what im about and why i was shooting so high. i know my need can be met with AEM but i also know there is better in my price range.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 985498 posted 04/15/11 09:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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i didnt take offense harry








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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 985687 posted 04/16/11 03:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      


Ok then donald trump go with the high dollar stuff even though you really don't need it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 985720 posted 04/16/11 05:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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i didnt take offense harry













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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 986428 posted 04/19/11 11:15 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting 3of1000:



Ok then donald trump go with the high dollar stuff even though you really don't need it.



lol ur kinda mean.. i decided to go with pro efi. now i have to choose a turbo that will do satisfy my needs. the BorgWarner EFR 8374 Turbo will be just what i NEED.


Edited by VR-4 Whore (04/19/11 01:36 PM)

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alansupra94
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 986486 posted 04/19/11 01:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I WIN!

Vipec is a nice system, just not my cup of tea feature wise.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 986491 posted 04/19/11 01:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Pro efi was nice in my supra I had no complaints which would have been my second choice so for sure one of the top systems out there.



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alansupra94
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 986493 posted 04/19/11 01:45 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I heard Vipecs come with tuna sandwiches? True or untrue?

I mean I guess I should say that I like Pro-EFI because of the flex fuel sensor. That is to me the coolest and most necessary feature for me.

You MAY be able to program that but I am NOT 100% sure into other standalones.



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Edited by alansupra94 (04/19/11 01:46 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 986498 posted 04/19/11 01:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i did some reading on supra forums that aided in my decision. i should have the system in my hands next week, they are making the harness. im gonna bring the car to iveytune for a good set up.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 986499 posted 04/19/11 01:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yea you can program that to run in vi-pec as well pretty easily the vi-pec really shines in the launch control and gear dependent boost levels if you are at a point where traction is super important.



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alansupra94
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 986507 posted 04/19/11 02:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
but what about the tuna!



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