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Re: Car Starts but Stalls Immediately after Built Engine Install


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241444 posted 01/27/18 02:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Also knocked out a compression test just for shits and giggles...numbers look very solid.







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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241445 posted 01/27/18 02:45 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Images from top to bottom in cylinder order 1 to 4.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241474 posted 01/30/18 10:58 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
something that you can try is spraying a little starting fluid or carb cleaner through a vacuum line while someone start the car to see if it fires off. at least you will know if it is a fuel issue or not. I did this when my car was acting the same way. once I sprayed the cleaner through a vacuum line it fired off and I knew I had a fuel issue. just a suggestion

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241478 posted 01/31/18 12:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I will try to get her going with the new battery, but yeah that starter fluid trick is a good one. I will definitely try that if it still won't turn over.

Injectors were getting signal just fine. If the new battery does not start it up, I will be getting the injectors cleaned and flow tested.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241582 posted 02/10/18 10:52 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
For sure the injectors do not like sitting/being used with high ethanol content, and then being stationary for lengthy periods of time.
Let us know how it goes after the injectors are given a clean bill of health. wink wink



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241864 posted 03/04/18 09:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The photos speak volumes about just how gunked up the injectors were.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241865 posted 03/04/18 09:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Also when I pulled the rail up, the tops of the injectors stayed attached. Is this okay? They seem to be stuck to the rail really well.




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241894 posted 03/07/18 08:39 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I called that one

As far as sticking in the rail, I've had lots of injectors do that. Some to the point where the oring is destroyed removing them.
I would send those back to FIC for cleaning. Hopefully they can be saved. Ethanol can potentially do some damage.

It sucks, but glad it was something simple. You should be up and running in no time. Since you see the condition of the injectors and rail, I would open up the rest of the fuel system and clean everything thoroughly before trying to start it again. Inside of tank condition and fuel pump would be my biggest concern.



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Edited by strokin4dr (03/07/18 08:40 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241896 posted 03/07/18 02:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Haha for sure. I will also be replacing the fuel filter (FuelLab unit) to be safe. Pulling pump and rail for inspection too. I drained the tank completely and re-filled with clean gas. Off to FIC to clean and will report their findings. Thanks again all.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241916 posted 03/10/18 12:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quite probably replacing some fuel system components. Any tips for cleaning this gunk out...brake cleaner?




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1241923 posted 03/10/18 09:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I would not use that rail. Hell, I wouldn't run bare aluminum fuel components with E85, period. After noticing my factory rail starting to have flakes inside after running E85 for just months I swapped to a FIC rail, new soft lines, inline filter setup and E85 safe fuel pump.
I'd check out all of those things and consider replacement is any piece is suspect and especially if you plan to keep running ethanol.

-Ryan



1908- sold and missed.
1280- 2.3, FP 35R, E85, etc.
1135- 100% stock - 88k miles
'93 Mirage hatch- 4g63, AWD, etc (hoarding for build)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242154 posted 04/01/18 11:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Replaced fuel filter, cleaned fuel rail with rifle cleaning kit, cleaned out Aeromotive AFPR, pulled pump it looked good, had all injectors cleaned and flow tested by FIC. Car fires up and will run if I give some throttle...it surges and then stalls if I don't.

Unfortunately it is now leaking from both ends of the fuel rail. Everything is tightened to spec and it never leaked before. What could be causing this?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242157 posted 04/02/18 12:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Going to take it apart again...might be the two rubber o-rings on the fitting sections inside the actual rail. So fun. Anyone know the size of these o-rings (stock) off the top of their heads or where to source?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242160 posted 04/02/18 02:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
CAPS info:

Inlet: MB554317 says 11.8 size

Outlet: MD604696 says 7.8 size

Maybe that represents the inside diameter measurement? I remember going to the hardware store with mine and finding an equivalent that worked. I seem to remember it was a little bit thicker cross-section diameter. Don't remember the size, though 11 mm is close to 7/16ths.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242163 posted 04/02/18 05:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Awesome, thanks for the info. It will be a nice day when I'm not pissing fuel out everywhere.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242220 posted 04/08/18 04:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm done with this stock fuel rail...




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242221 posted 04/08/18 04:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Had to mangle to fittings to get them off the rail. Both rubber o-rings were in rough shape, especially the inlet side (looks almost melted). I was going to just order new -6an fittings and call it a day, but I said screw it and opted for the FIC fuel rail. Reviews look good, and my stock rail has been through hell. Fun.



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Edited by Chad989of2000 (04/08/18 04:05 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242510 posted 05/07/18 02:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Installed new FIC fuel rail and that stopped the fuel leaks. Car still takes forever to turn over and won't idle on its own. Maybe a MAF failure. I don't have an extra to swap and test. Anyone know a way to test the MAF?



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Edited by Chad989of2000 (05/07/18 02:06 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242514 posted 05/08/18 06:38 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Did you ever log the Coolant Temp? That will cause a long crank and hard to no idle issue now that the fuel system is sorted.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242516 posted 05/09/18 12:07 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That totally skipped my mind. The wiring looks solid, but the sensor may be original. Will test when I can carve out some garage time.




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Edited by Chad989of2000 (05/09/18 12:08 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1242518 posted 05/09/18 06:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Most of the time the sensor is good. The 26 yr old wiring is the issue. Predominately, the sensor ground (green w/black line) is the culprit.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1243045 posted 06/18/18 01:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Coolant Temp looks good in ECMLink. Wiring also looks good. Does the Timing value look odd?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1243046 posted 06/18/18 02:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Disregard the timing number...it displayed 5 degrees once the car was cranked.

I'm thinking TPS and Coolant Temp Sensor are good. I'm going to look to test the MAF next. Everything else is checking out fine.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1243047 posted 06/18/18 02:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   

Screen grab of cranking with no start in ECMLink.





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