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Re: Making a top mount intercooler and have a plumbing question.


rdomeck
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1007780 posted 07/27/11 11:54 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So who on here that is saying cut the front bumper has done crash testing with and without it? An automobile manufacturer does not go to extra work if they don't have too....I know that there are those of you that cut the front bumper, but it is not a safe thing to do and I would rather have 100 horsepower in a safe car than 1000 horsepower in an unsafe car!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1007785 posted 07/27/11 12:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm gonna strongly agree with Turbowop and Alpha Male on this one. Even if the bumper really performs any safety function, you can reinforce it after you cut it to fit an FMIC. And honestly, if your concern is safety, the GVR-4 is not the ideal platform to start with. Although fortunately for kids in the back in seats they will probably be safe whatever you choose to do.



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Edited by Barnes (07/27/11 09:02 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1007875 posted 07/27/11 08:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting rdomeck:

I disagree about the front bumper support. Companies do not put extra metal into a car just because they can. They put in just what they can get by with and nothing more. Cutting into something like that is not a good thing if you plan on doing any street driving......But hey it's just your life your playing around with so what's the harm in trying it?




They made the front bumper support burly like that only on USDM cars to satisfy U.S. 5mph impact standards. Like you said, they only put in what's required, which is why this chassis in every other country only uses enough metal in the bumper to support the urethane cover.

But what do I know? I've only been on this board for over ten years and a GVR4 owner for over 12. Safety first, right? Please.



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Edited by turbowop (07/27/11 08:56 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1008085 posted 07/28/11 09:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Mark, It sounds like your offended......Not my intension. You need to understand that we all have opinions and you should not blow up if people don't agree with yours. Just because you have been on this board for however many years and you have owned a VR4 for however many years does not make the expert on crash testing and removal of factory installed safety components. I grew up in a body shop and I run a fabrication business working with many types of metal's as well as still doing the occasional restoration because I enjoying doing that kind of work. So I may know a thing or two about collision damage and repair.

I do realize that most people believe that you can remove the front bumper and it will be perfectly fine in a front end collision......It may be, but it's not a chance I am willing to take. It just doesn't make sense to me to pull out the first thing that would take the impact if a collision were to occur! It would be much different if you were building a track only car and you had other safety devices in place.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1008090 posted 07/28/11 10:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm not offended nor did I "blow up".

Did you not read what I wrote regarding why the heavy support is behind that urethane bumper cover? Who needs to do any crash testing? Do you know the difference between the JDM and USDM bumpers? The factory bumpers that come on these cars if bought in any other country are literally nothing more than a urethane support structure for the bumper cover. It's no different than removing the ridiculous support behind the urethane cover of a USDM bumper. I suppose you wouldn't put your twins into a factory JDM version of the GVR4 for safety reasons?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1008133 posted 07/29/11 04:55 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Goodnes me This topic has turned out a bit different than I had hoped. I've been doing a lot of thinking for ya. Why not essentialy seperate the two sides of the engine bay along the bellhousing line on the exausst side using a piece of polished stainless or ally. Then use a half width, but thick radiator on the exaust side and have the fan infront of the rad? then the air filter could get direct airflow from behind the front bumper. It would be in a high presure area and the intercooler would get a very cold air stream too.

I was talking about this with a friend and he happened to have photos of an RX7 scoop on a gvr4, if ya interested



BTW I'm trained in collision repair and fabrication. People might be suprised at the difference with and without cut/modified bumpers. Though I think what realy suffers is the ability for the car to be repaired rather than ocupant safety since you still have the motor infront of you.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1008242 posted 07/29/11 08:06 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Justin, that RX-7 hood scoop looks nice. I had the exact same thought on bringing in fresh air from the right side of the car (driver's side on your end of the world). I will be retaining the A/C so I'm not sure how much that would effect the air charge coming in. I'm sure it would be some. I will experiment with these setups in the fall when my hand heals and my shop workload goes down. I have done a lot of racing in the past, but this is my first turbo'd car so it's going to be fun to find what works and what doesn't.

Thanks for the positive input.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1008247 posted 07/29/11 08:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quote:

I have done a lot of racing in the past, but this is my first turbo'd car so it's going to be fun to find what works and what doesn't.






What car and what type of racing? I'm a rally bigginer, for that reason I'm staying N/A so that I don't end up in a class I can't compete in. I'm working on a airbox with panelfilter that I'm plastic welding together to go inplace of my battery at the moment. I'm interested (extreemly) in how this top mount works out as I can see it's benifits in rally. Make sure you update this when the set-ups complete!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1008361 posted 07/30/11 08:22 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Justin, I started out in a CRX and went through a few door slammers until getting into open wheel. I was doing autocross at first and then went into road racing. I have looked for the 21st Centuary Performance book, but can't seem to find it in print anywhere in the states. Any chance you know of an online store I could order it from? I'll keep you updated with how good or how bad this set-up works!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1008405 posted 07/31/11 01:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just had a crazy idea to blow your A/C through/over your intercooler - and somehow still keep it flowing into the cabin

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1008407 posted 07/31/11 01:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
And then into your trunk, to keep groceries cool.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1008520 posted 07/31/11 08:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
OMFG! I didn't think of that!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1008547 posted 07/31/11 11:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I did this on a Supra about 10 or 12 years ago and did not see any better times. It wasn't put onto a dyno so I can't say for sure, but I suspect it was the loss in horsepower from the A/C compressor being on!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1009583 posted 08/05/11 10:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You could put a WOT A/C cut out on it, so at anything less than WOT, you'd be cooling the IC.

I like the simplicity of it; short routing and just a couple fittings. It also retains a more stock appearance, FWIW.

Hope your hand heals quickly!

KT



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1009597 posted 08/06/11 12:12 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
2g's do that stock, not sure about 1g's/gvr4s.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1011215 posted 08/13/11 04:06 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Although there is a lot of factual information in all of this, it saddens me that a group of odd rare car enthusiasts would have so much negativity for someone trying something different. I understand that y'all may be trying to help him make more power, or not do something "that has been proven" to be less effective etc, but really why not focus on answering the questions he asked? I have tried a few different odd ic set-ups myself, starting with a turbo probe ic as a front mount with the intention of minimizing the length of charge piping... did I gain power? Probably not, but I was happy to be different and making something work on the non-existent budget I was working with at the time. Regardless, kudos for trying something different, and thanks for reminding me of one of my very first favorite cars LINK which has a similar ic set-up. With that said, I wish I had more to add to the real topic, but maybe the diamante set-up (running just under 500hp...) can help **steps down from soapbox**
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1011375 posted 08/13/11 10:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Brian, Thanks for the positive input. I will be pursuing the top mount in a 3-4 of weeks. I have had a hard time working with one hand so I will be catching up on work and then going on vacation at the end of the month and will get back on this towards the end of september. I will provide some REAL data on temperature difference in and out as well as pressure differences when I get this set-up running. I find it interesting that no one has chimed in with there temperature and pressure reading's......



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1022353 posted 10/02/11 12:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So....I'm back on this project. I even heard it make a few noises Friday and have some checking to do to make the thing idle correctly, but I'm close. I have installed temp. sensor's before and after so I can see if I have done any good or not. I'm running speed density so I had to install one anyway and I plan on using the one after the core all the time, but my lead is long enough to plug it in before the core to log what temps I have before the cooler.

If this works I'm thinking of doing a bump in the hood and ducting air out the top and back of the hood.

Anyone running SD that can share what temps they are running after the intercooler?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1042864 posted 12/30/11 11:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have been driving the car, but I'm having a ring seal problem......Back apart to install a better set of rings. Then tuning and lots and lots of driving!




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1042898 posted 12/31/11 11:10 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
C50 series CSM
Right angle crash, 50 KMH, met a 95 Buick Regal.
Full US/CAN bumper support intact unlike my current car with bumper mods for the Starion intercooler.
No windshield damage or any twisting past the firewall, doors opened fine.
This is a side angle front corner impact, maybe somebody has pics of another front end collision, but straight line?
The C50 is not that much different from the Galant in terms of engineering, frame rails being a bit weaker on the Colt of course.
I must say that I am a big fan of front bumper support/frame rail connectors.



Hope you get those rings solved, and permanently.



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Edited by FlyingEagle (12/31/11 11:24 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1042915 posted 12/31/11 02:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Quoting rdomeck:

I have been driving the car, but I'm having a ring seal problem......Back apart to install a better set of rings. Then tuning and lots and lots of driving!






very clean!

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