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Intake Manifold Shootout


Pivvay
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109924 posted 03/29/04 08:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
http://nabr.jayntguru.com/shootout

Can't decide what aftermarket intake manifold to buy? Stop going on hearsay and tooners talk and start using real information. RMDSM is doing an intake manifold shootout this weekend to gather some real data. This was my idea and Hal (Hal on this board) and Dave Landry as well as other RMDSM and NABR members have come together to make it happen. Please contribute if you can as we are making all the data publicly available to the DSM community and are funding it out of our own pockets. Lots of dyno data, measurements, volumes and runner lengths will be available for you to make an *educated* decision.

That's all for now. Stay tuned for results. [Smile]

[ 05-07-2004, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: Hertz ]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109925 posted 03/29/04 08:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yea, that test is great... thanks to all involved and I can't wait to see the results.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109926 posted 03/29/04 08:22 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Cant wait.......

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109927 posted 03/29/04 08:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Awsome. Put me down for a couple bucks.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109928 posted 03/29/04 08:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
dont forget mine [Razz]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109929 posted 03/29/04 08:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Send all money to Dave in that link provided. Jon I need to get your manifold to Hal as soon as I can.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109930 posted 03/29/04 08:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Great idea.

Can we get a stock cyclone /w non-ecu controlled runner actuator in the field?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109931 posted 03/29/04 08:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
chris you going to use your magnus too?

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PacManVR4
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109932 posted 03/29/04 09:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I will sending money tonight. I would like to see a Cyclone jsut to see one, But Im not gonna hold my breath either.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109933 posted 03/29/04 09:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i'm supplying the magnus and $100 plus I'll be wrenching. The session is closed to the public because we will be VERY busy with all the manifolds we have.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109934 posted 03/29/04 09:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Money sent. On the other hand I hate moving threads.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109935 posted 03/29/04 10:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'd really like to see a Cyclone tested. Run it with runners held open and run it with runners held closed. Then it would be easy enough to lay the two dyno graphs on top of each other to see what it would look like if the runners were switched open at the optimal point.

Also, this is less testing and more presenting, but it would be nice to see 'as tested' weights for each of the manifolds.

Good luck.

Mark

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Pivvay
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109936 posted 03/29/04 10:38 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I will try to remember the scale to get rough weights. I believe a cyclone is in the works but no promises.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109937 posted 03/29/04 10:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Excellent, thank you. [Applause]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109938 posted 03/29/04 11:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Big thing here is to make a good notes of the mods.

Ricer mentality is that if one intake worked best on one car it will work best on theirs, WRONG!!

Don't be drug into that pit people.

How about a stock motor with a stock turbo and say some usualy bolt-ons like the guy down the street has (not a real guy, just hypothetical). Then another with a few more mods and so on and so on. That way you get a good idea of what each intake will do at a given level and if it is worth it for you.

Street driving impression is also an imprtant factor, albiet a subjective one. But none the less, street manners and driveablity are very important factors to consider. Remember dynos only tell part of the story.

Still, hopefully some good usable data can come from this.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109939 posted 03/29/04 11:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Good info wil come from this, And I know the truth is out there as far as this test goes. But on somthing lke this you cant say lest test them on 10 diffrent cars. I admit the test car is fairley extreme but its at the point of needing one. Most 16g guys dont need or want one. i will trust their judgement and data to choose whats gonna be right for me.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109940 posted 03/30/04 08:58 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
We'd love to do other cars. In fact we were going to test my galant as well, 20g, stock motor but there is just not enough time and money. Remember I *personally* will be swapping manifolds on a hot car all day just to get through the ones we got! If we had to do it twice on different cars we'd never finish.

So we picked the best compromise. This is not a shop car but a well built enthusiast car that your average person could build. No super secret parts or impossible to do stuff. I think you'll get good data but about top end and low end mainifold performance. Dynos aren't the whole story but they are the most objective way to gather good data.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109941 posted 03/30/04 10:10 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I hope the Forrester wins [Big Grin]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109942 posted 03/30/04 10:47 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The people who take the results as gospel are the same buyers that change their turbo 7 times before they run low 12s, and most likely one of those was a Mutt. I think this is a great test, and appreciate the amount of work it will take to pull it off. If I had to predict the test will show what has been known forever and that there is no perfect manifold, what one gains in xxx area it will lose in yyy area, and this will be a good judge of which one you want based on your needs.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109943 posted 03/30/04 10:55 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I respect the amount of time, effort, money going into this project. I can imagine alot of burned forearms, fingers, and hands after the day is finished. Donation sent. Good Luck with the testing.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109944 posted 03/30/04 12:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I may be testing one for jonvr4.. [Wink]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109945 posted 03/30/04 01:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've got a cyclone intake you can use if you need/want it, Chris. Let me know.

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Pivvay
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109946 posted 03/30/04 01:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have to talk to Dave tonight and I'll check on teh cyclone status. I *thought* we had one already but i'm not sure.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109947 posted 03/30/04 02:58 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Money sent also. I have a cyclone (NON-RS one) that could be used. Although 'in transit time' would cut it close.
Thanks in advance for the long day ahead. Make sure to have several pair of Mechanix gloves; that will help with not getting burns.
Tom

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109948 posted 03/30/04 03:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Thanks for all the contributions. Any out of state manifolds would cut it close but I think we're set anyway.

And my fiancee has me set on gloves to protect the old hands [Smile]

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