abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
12/04/17 07:28 PM
#1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

I don't even know where to start with this post... I'm just gutted. I attended the Radwood 2 car event in Aneheim this past Saturday and then returned home at 6pm and stored the car in my fathers empty garage. 8 1/2 hours later, at 2:30am, the garage, along with 5 of my vehicles were incinerated in the fire. http://www.cbs8.com/story/36982701/man-caretaker-rescued-from-del-mar-house-fire

THANK GOD my father and his caretaker had only minor injuries and in the long view, that is all that matters. The garage was a detached affair so the main residence has only minor smoke damage and should be inhabitable in the next week or so.

I however am not fine. I am inconsolable. Devastated. Besides VR-4 #1607 (located in the middle garage) being destroyed, I lost a 375hp mid-engine RWD Austin Mini, and my 1965 Mercedes-Benz 230SL. This last car was the same car I came home from the hospital 50 years ago when I was brought into this world and to celebrate it's 50 years in our family I gave it a gift earlier this year when Petrolicious did a story on the car and it's connection to our family. https://petrolicious.com/articles/this-mercedes-benz-230sl-has-been-family-owned-for-50-years

The reason I am telling you all about this is two fold... 1) You VR-4 loving dorks are the only one's that can understand my pain. My friends and family have been great but they do not understand what it is like to bring a car back from the dead or to maintain and improve a vehicle. The only people that can understand are TRUE "car people" and anyone that even knows was a GVR4 is are certified car people. This is really the only place to share the ceaseless pain I feel as well as to thank all of you for all your recent help in getting #1607 to the level that it could be displayed at a car event like Radwood. Without all of your assistance that would have never happened. The car had but 311 miles on it since the work was completed prior to the fires consummation. And that brings me to the second reason I am posting this...

In preparation of fighting the insurance company (Geico) over the vehicles value I wanted the opinion of all you experts on GVR-4 values. With this data I can then at least argue the "real" street value of the vehicle rather then have the insurance company tell me that "Kelly Blue Book" values the vehicle at $_ _ _ _ when we all know that the real street value for a clean, well kept VR4 can be well north of KBB.

So here is the low down on the car at the time of the fire. (Pardon if my tears ruin your keyboard..)

1991 Galant VR-4 #1607
Color: Belize Green
Mileage: 222,880
Condition: 8.5 out of 10 (90% original paint, original engine and trans)

Just completed a 8 month tear down of drivetrain and suspension including the following...
Replaced cracked trans bell housing
New brake rotors/pads
New outer tie rod ends
New CV joint boots front and rear
New Centerforce clutch
New clutch slave cyl
New stainless braided clutch slave hydro line
New strut hats
New fuel filter
New fuel filler hose from cap to fuel tank
New engine oil and filter
New Trans oil
New Transfer case oil
New Diff oil
New headlights
New front grill
New front turn signal lens
New windshield washer nozzles
New LED interior, door and trunk bulbs
New H&R blue srings
New TE37 replica wheels and tires
New 7 speaker touchscreen stereo with Navigation and backup camera

There is more but you get the idea.

So I am looking for opinions on real street value. Here are some pictures.














transparentdsm
(I have to say something dumb Member)
12/04/17 07:54 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Looks like a 7-9k car to me. If motor was ever rebuilt more.


Also I have no words for this, just so so sorry and so glad your Dad is ok.


G
(obsessed with the turds of others)
12/04/17 08:01 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Wow, that is sad man. Looked really clean.

MellowVR4
(5" too short)
12/04/17 08:14 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Sad sad sad, not cool this happened to a clean vr4! I would be as bummed as you are about this whole situation. Sorry for your loss.

abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
12/04/17 08:23 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Quoting transparentdsm:

Looks like a 7-9k car to me. If motor was ever rebuilt more.


Also I have no words for this, just so so sorry and so glad your Dad is ok.





Engine was rebuilt 47,000 miles ago. 16G turbo, intake, freer flowing exhaust work... Trans was smooth and car still had working 4WS, A/C and cruise control. It was a really nice 3 owner car purchased off BAT August of 2016. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mitsubishi-galant-vr4/

Once I got a hold of the car that is when it got a lot nicer. Car already was rust and accident free but I always take my cars to another level. Car was not perfect, some door dings and stone chips to the hood but compared to most, it was certainly a good example.


Nebraska
(Member)
12/04/17 08:44 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Thatís pretty freaking sad. I hope your battle with the insurance company favors you in the end. Geico can really suck when it comes to having your back, Iím getting ready to go back to progressive myself.

Your work canít be replaced and neither can your ultra rare Mercedes...any ideas bouncing around for your next toy? (Too soon?)


abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
12/04/17 09:35 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice


The only "toy" I had in the garage was a Honda PCX150 scooter. The rest of the cars were heirloom level stuff to me. Yes, even the VR-4. The VR-4 was purchased for my son as his first car... a car he could learn to wrench on and improve over time but an unfortunate incident led to the car being pulled from the road and the crazy dad (me) tearing the whole thing apart and bringing it up to the level it was at up an until the fire. The other cars were family members. A hand fabricated mid engine Mini, the 230SL (a.k.a. "Little Mercedes"). Hell, even the Honda Ridgeline I also lost in the fire had dragged me through so many Snowboarding/Fly Fishing trips in the Pac Northwest that I told someone recently, "I cannot see myself ever selling it... I love it that much!" I have owned more then 150 cars (including new off the showroom Galant VR-4 #1337) but the cars in that garage were the ones I were most attached to. They cannot be replaced for any amount of money. I'm so distraught I cannot even envision attending another car related event for the foreseeable future. I just want to get through this potential battle over value.

So if anyone else has on opinion about this cars value, please let me know.

Thanks,

Eric


galantrevolution
(Member)
12/04/17 09:40 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Dealing with the insurance about you car value hopefully ends in good terms in your favor , i decide to use Hagerty for my VR4 that way from day one , I stated the car value and If any happen to my car thatís the amount I will get.

slugsgomoo
(god hates stupid people)
12/04/17 09:48 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Quoting transparentdsm:

Looks like a 7-9k car to me. If motor was ever rebuilt more.


Also I have no words for this, just so so sorry and so glad your Dad is ok.




Agree with everything here.

Heartbreaking to see the pictures, and I can't imagine the loss of your mom's car, so sorry to see this man

Hopefully insurance will at least do their best to make it right financially, even if there really isn't anything that can replace these.


strokin4dr
(fighting them with a large needle)
12/04/17 09:48 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Sorry to see this bro. That is terrible, but could have been worse.

I agree that 8-9k is a good starting place even with milage.

Quoting transparentdsm:

Looks like a 7-9k car to me. If motor was ever rebuilt more.


Also I have no words for this, just so so sorry and so glad your Dad is ok.




GSTwithPSI
(A hole)
12/04/17 11:51 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Wow, Eric. I can't even believe this. I really feel for you, man. I was really looking forward to checking out the Galant, and hopefully doing some joint wrenching together.

I'd also agree that car would have fetched 7-9k in the current market. I made a thread a while back that may help you make your case to the insurance company: click

149/1000 and 1218/2000 sold recently, and were both bone stock VR-4s in really nice condition.

If there's anything I can do to help you out, just ask.


gtluke
(Fegbasket)
12/05/17 08:17 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Holy crap, sorry to hear man.

Snook1345
(Junior Member)
12/05/17 08:56 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

glad noone was injured. just went outside and gave 747 a hug and kiss.

such a bummer man sorry that happened to you


transparentdsm
(I have to say something dumb Member)
12/05/17 09:50 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Quoting GSTwithPSI:

Wow, Eric. I can't even believe this. I really feel for you, man. I was really looking forward to checking out the Galant, and hopefully doing some joint wrenching together.

I'd also agree that car would have fetched 7-9k in the current market. I made a thread a while back that may help you make your case to the insurance company: click

149/1000 and 1218/2000 sold recently, and were both bone stock VR-4s in really nice condition.

If there's anything I can do to help you out, just ask.





i was looking for this thread, also talk to EfiniX as his got side swiped and he got a decent price, but he also got his car back and was able to part it to offset the difference.


GVR4ZUM
(Senior Member)
12/05/17 10:11 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Hi Eric,
I just saw your post, I'm sooo sorry to hear this, . I'm glad though that nobody got seriously hurt. I made it to Radwood2 saw your car and stayed by it for a bit hoping to see you.



ApexHunter
(Extreme Indoor Cyclist)
12/05/17 11:09 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Hey Eric, good meeting you the other day, and it makes this worse. So sorry to see this. I know it wasn't just a car. Glad your Dad and his caretaker are OK, but wow, i'm not surprised you are devastated. I remember when you got the car off BaT.

A number of us have had to fight for the value of these cars. Ditto previous posters here; Often one of the best ways to prove value is by providing examples of recent sales. As these cars exist in small numbers, are spread out through the country, and don't sell in high volume regularly, it won't be easy. What was suggested to me at one time was to create a simple spreadsheet of (relatively) recent similar condition GVR4 sales, with sales prices and links to FS ads wherever possible. The thread that Brett linked a few posts up is a great resource.


transparentdsm
(I have to say something dumb Member)
12/05/17 12:03 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

my body wasn't as nice. i was asking 12k for mine but i got 7k for 138/2000 that is now badged as 1415/2000( the agreement was i get to keep all 138 numbered parts as it holds sentimental value to me and my coilovers and strut braces) and a tsi i sold for 2300 after a few months of driving it. it also went to a close friend who has and will care for it.

fuel
("Just to be pedantic!")
12/05/17 12:07 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

I'm so sorry to see this

abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
12/05/17 01:01 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Quoting GVR4ZUM:

Hi Eric,
I just saw your post, I'm sooo sorry to hear this, . I'm glad though that nobody got seriously hurt. I made it to Radwood2 saw your car and stayed by it for a bit hoping to see you.






Sorry I missed you at Radwood but once I heard there was a Renault R5 Turbo 2 at the event I pretty much had to just be near it the rest of the day. That fat, little, angry chipmunk just makes me freaky...

Thanks for the pic of the car. That is the last one of the car before the fire that I have.


abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
12/05/17 01:16 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Quoting GSTwithPSI:

Wow, Eric. I can't even believe this. I really feel for you, man. I was really looking forward to checking out the Galant, and hopefully doing some joint wrenching together.

I'd also agree that car would have fetched 7-9k in the current market. I made a thread a while back that may help you make your case to the insurance company: click

149/1000 and 1218/2000 sold recently, and were both bone stock VR-4s in really nice condition.

If there's anything I can do to help you out, just ask.




Thanks so much for the assistance with this. Hagerty is all over the claim on the Mercedes 230SL and it's guaranteed value so I am not worried there but the VR-4 is another matter all together. I am expecting a payout of $1800 or so from the Gecko so what I am doing is gathering data such as what you linked me to as well as all the thousands of dollars I poured into the car this past 8 months. Of course, to me, the car is worth $150,000 and the insurance feels it's worth $1. Normally this would not be such a difficult thing for me to battle them but I am so emotionally compromised that I just have no fight left in me. I need to suck it up and fight for the value of the Galant, Ridgeline and the 59' Mini. The irony of all this is that I owned 8 vehicles on Saturday and now do not have a car to drive as my teenagers and wife drive the remaining 3 cars. First world problem, of course, but it is weird to go from choosing between these cars I worked do hard (myself!!!) to restore and now be relegated to a bicycle. (Yes, the insurance could supply me with a rental car I suppose but I'm more inclined to punish myself for this whole mess... I'm just so damn upset. Riding the bicycle will be good for me.)


iceman69510
(Turn Right Racing)
12/05/17 02:03 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

So sad to hear this, and one of my personal fears. I have one car in my garage that is not even insured, and it is probably the most valuable currently.

Search on here for user DR1665. His name is Brian, and he was working at one point on getting sellers to post info on what cars sold for. He did not get a huge amount of cooperation, people being skittish sometimes about revealing any financial information. There should be a thread about values, though likely a bit old given what has happened in the market values of cars the last couple years.

I know you put a lot of money into the car since you bought it, so the purchase price does not reflect the real value at the time of the incident, but use the BaT info as a starting point.

Your name suggests you are a bike "seller" not a rider, so get pedaling!


Drew84
(Member)
12/05/17 08:32 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Hi Eric,

I flew all the way to Socal from Boston to check out Radwood2. I'm friendly with the organizers. I was so pumped to see a Galant VR4 and I wanted to talk to you during the day.

I'm so saddened to hear this news. I'm relived no one is hurt, but I totally understand the sentimental value that vehicles have.


diambo4life
(Member)
12/06/17 05:45 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Devastating. Deeply sorry.

4Grim
(I deliver.)
12/06/17 07:08 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

First off...I am happy to hear that your dad and his caretaker are alright, that ultimately is the more important. I can only imagine the pain seeing the cars that have a deep sentimental value to you and the family in ruins after that fire. For most people ...they are just material things that can easily be replaced, but like you said "car people" and true "enthusiasts" will truly understand that its more than the "material" aspect of it. They represent history, they represent dreams and goals achieved, they represent hard work, ...they represent a part/piece of you in "material" form.

Yes...they can be replaced by another "material" piece but will never replace what they represented. I only hope the insurance process goes well for you and hopefully move on and maybe you have the motivation to save another Galant VR4. #1607 was a beautiful Galant...you did a spectacular job of saving it, another Galant deserves your touch to save it.

#brohug


GVR4ZUM
(Senior Member)
12/06/17 11:01 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Quoting abikepeddler:

Quoting GVR4ZUM:

Hi Eric,
I just saw your post, I'm sooo sorry to hear this, . I'm glad though that nobody got seriously hurt. I made it to Radwood2 saw your car and stayed by it for a bit hoping to see you.






Sorry I missed you at Radwood but once I heard there was a Renault R5 Turbo 2 at the event I pretty much had to just be near it the rest of the day. That fat, little, angry chipmunk just makes me freaky...

Thanks for the pic of the car. That is the last one of the car before the fire that I have.




Same here, I kept going back to these two.
I hope it will all work out for you Eric.






abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
12/06/17 01:09 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

I really, REALLY appreciate everyone's support. I do not really know any of you personally but it's so odd how I'd rather pour my heart out to a bunch of strangers about this loss then my own family or friends. As I said prior, it is simply a matter of you are a bunch of true car kooks like me and only you can possibly understand. Only you all understand that the bell housing on these cars has a "special" bolt that is so important. Or how to solve a bouncing idle or sticky door handles. If it wasn't for this forum I'd have never had that sense of accomplishment of making #1607 such a reliable DD for my son. So thank you.

Ironically, a few weeks ago, I was planning on posting a story on these forums about my first GVR4, #1337 but on November 19th I was diagnosed with something called Sick Sinus Syndrome which is a heart condition where my heart suddenly stops receiving electrical signal and stops. So on Nov 20th, just, what.. 16 days ago?... wow... I had surgery to install a Pacemaker. 50 years old, healthy, own a bicycle retailer and ride road and mountain bikes all the time and I get a freaking Pacemaker! Bad F'ing luck. So anyways I never got to memorialize #1337. I say memorialize because I sold the car in 2001, with 9800 miles on it (yes, 10 years old with 10K on the odo) for $15,000 to a guy named Andy. So I stayed in touch with Andy over the following 15 years... "Andy, how is the Galant doing?". "Andy, if you ever sell it, please give me a call" I'd bug the shit out of him as I never should have sold it in the first place. Well Andy let the car deteriorate to the point where it not longer ran and he did not drive it. So in Aug of 2016 Andy tells me he took the car to a mechanic to try and get it going again. Tragically the shop caught fire and #1337 was incinerated along with a number of other customer cars.

Purchased #1337 brand new (special order) from Carlsbad Mitsubishi in Carlsbad CA. Had 8 miles on the odo when it arrived... I FORCED my then 64 year old father to buy it as he kept buying Honda Accords and I wanted to spice up his life. He LOVED the Galant but was retired and only drove it on short trips. I purchased the car from him a few years later with around 5,000 miles on it, added some 16' Konig Tuner wheels (lol) and H&R lowering springs. Everything else was still stock. Also, I know a lot of you are younger then me so you may not have this perspective but a 1991 Galant VR-4 was about as technologically advanced thing as you could buy. Only the 3000GT VR-4 and the Porsche Carrera 4 (and 959) were more complicated. The soft leather and the fantastic build quality of the Galant VR-4 when new was really something different. It smelled amazing.

So the really ironic thing about this story is that this past weekend, just hours before the fire claimed #1607, I took a picture of it in the exact location where I took a picture of #1337 some 20 years ago. (Look how much that palm tree has grown!) While the background has changed quite a bit over the years it is really weird to see both cars in the same spot and both lost due to fire. I'm probably going to take the hint and stay away from damaging any more of these unique cars...






highrpm666
(Member)
12/06/17 01:17 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Oh man. I'm so sorry to hear this. Glad everyone is ok. This really was a beautiful car and I'm glad I was able to see it in person last summer. The pictures make me sick to my stomach. I wouldn't know what to do if this was my car. So sad

strokin4dr
(fighting them with a large needle)
12/06/17 08:33 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Really cool to have the pics of both cars in the same place 20 years apart.
Once you get everything straight, I hope you reconsider and pick up another one. You did a great job with both cars. Can't blame yourself for the loss of either one.


thompstone
(Junior Member)
12/07/17 08:45 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

I don't post here very often anymore since the loss of #1653. I saw the pictures on Jalopnik and instantly I knew it was a GVR4. The other cars as well, I know it sucks immensely. This is not going to help but in the end of the days, it is just stuff, I had a fire myself lost almost everything and came to discover that my family was the important part. Still though it sucks, hard, they were some beautiful machines.

gtluke
(Fegbasket)
12/07/17 08:57 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

yeah jalopnik picked it up
click


4orced4door
(Out Standing)
12/07/17 09:42 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Just saw this on Jalopnik, instantly recognized the burned shell as a Galant. So sorry to hear about this, especially after reading the Petrolicious story about the 230SL, and about your long-time history with VR4s. Crazy that the one that you used to own recently burned, too.

I'm glad you weren't physically hurt, but know it must be tough to lose such sentimental possessions. Don't let the insurance fight bring you down too much -- there comes a point where arguing over a few thousand bucks isn't worth the mental anguish IMO.


idreamidrive
(Member +)
12/07/17 09:58 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

So sorry this happened. Glad the people are okay. I hope to never get rid of my gvr4, as all my kids were brought home in the hospital in it.
I hope you do find another one and get the insurance to pay actual price. I know you loved the first one you let go, as every time we went surfing in Del Mar you would comment on my gvr4.


18GVR4
(Member)
12/07/17 10:41 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Just saw this at work
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socalgvr4
(Member +)
12/07/17 11:12 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

My sincerest condolences to you and your family. I just heard today : click

After owning easily 6 of these cars (And from your post the huge amount of love you showed for this car) I am truly sorry. However, it appears you and your family are safe, and I truly hope all works out.

Akash


EHmotorsports
(Capt Fabbin Stabbin)
12/07/17 12:42 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

I am so sorry to hear about this.

iceman69510
(Turn Right Racing)
12/08/17 01:39 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Your car made into the JNC coverage of Radwood also.

JNC at Radwood


Ian M
(Brick Catcher)
12/11/17 11:55 AM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Sorry to see this man...I'm speachless.

KiNgMaRtY
(Member +++)
12/11/17 05:45 PM
Re: #1607 Destroyed in Structure Fire Yesterday - Need Valuation Advice

Oh no. So sorry for your loss!


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