Yao
(Senior Member)
12/18/13 12:25 AM
B16g

Where can I get a brand new authentic B16g now a days?

yao


tektic
(Senior Member)
12/18/13 02:45 AM
Re: B16g

Make one.

Turbo lab cut me a nice cover for my turbo. He can machine a tdo5 14b to a bastard 20g. It's a lot more affordable than buying new. Fp sells new though. There are plenty of better options than a b16g these days.


Yao
(Senior Member)
12/18/13 11:26 AM
Re: B16g

Yeah, starting find that out... I really wanted a T3, but can't decide what Manifold with external to run with. Any suggestions?

EfiniX
(Member ++)
12/18/13 11:50 AM
Re: B16g

MAP makes a great T3 mani, but it's serious $$$$. Forced Performance is having a terrific sale right now and you can get an OEM fit racing mani for $175. I'm using one on my current build and it looks sexy as hell with my 20g.


EfiniX
(Member ++)
12/18/13 04:14 PM
Re: B16g

Quoting Yao:

Yeah, starting find that out... I really wanted a T3, but can't decide what Manifold with external to run with. Any suggestions?




speak of the devil....

click


CutlassJim
(poop load of room)
12/18/13 05:18 PM
Re: B16g

Quoting EfiniX:

MAP makes a great T3 mani, but it's serious $$$$. Forced Performance is having a terrific sale right now and you can get an OEM fit racing mani for $175. I'm using one on my current build and it looks sexy as hell with my 20g.






That doesn't look like a 20G from that angle.


prove_it
(my racist jokes aren't actually funny)
12/18/13 05:29 PM
Re: B16g

It looks clocked way wrong. Look at the oil drain, Turbo failure in 3....2.....1.....

EHmotorsports
(Capt Fabbin Stabbin)
12/18/13 05:55 PM
Re: B16g

Haha that turbo has been on that car for years the way it's setting right now. No shaft play at all. You do know the engine leans slightly right? When it's in the car it is very close to straight up and down.
Another thing is it has to be positioned that way to clear the engine mount.


EHmotorsports
(Capt Fabbin Stabbin)
12/18/13 06:20 PM
Re: B16g

Before anything is said. I hope you know I didn't mean my last post in a negetive way. I'm sure it came off that way.

EfiniX
(Member ++)
12/19/13 01:45 AM
Re: B16g

Quoting prove_it:

It looks clocked way wrong. Look at the oil drain, Turbo failure in 3....2.....1.....




Yeah, the perspective is wonky for sure, but the setup is solid. 90k just like that with no issues. Well save for injector system, but that's a different system entirely.


EfiniX
(Member ++)
12/19/13 01:50 AM
Re: B16g



That doesn't look like a 20G from that angle.




Evidently a that angle makes a few things look off. Definitely a 20g, though. Here it is next to an HX35


CutlassJim
(poop load of room)
12/19/13 06:03 PM
Re: B16g

Now it looks even less like a 20G. Looks like an old Garret compressor cover and a bullseye bolt on turbine housing. I'm on my phone in an airport or I'd post a pic of an MHI 20G.

CutlassJim
(poop load of room)
12/20/13 07:42 AM
Re: B16g

Compressor cover looks different, turbine housing looks different, center section looks different, and wastegate actuator looks different.



Yao
(Senior Member)
12/20/13 09:12 AM
Re: B16g

okay, looks like 16g is out, I am looking for a none ball bearing t3 that is common and cheap to get, don't need too much power, around 350-400. More over, easy install and compatibility above all. I like the way stock manifold have the bolts from top for easy disassembly, but I need a T3 with external and won't crack, prefer cast, but the suggested on at the for sale section seems good.

CutlassJim
(poop load of room)
12/20/13 09:23 AM
Re: B16g

FP has brand new T3 20G's for $540.

fuel
("Just to be pedantic!")
12/20/13 10:03 AM
Re: B16g

it could have a 20G compressor wheel fitted to whatever turbo he is running.

EHmotorsports
(Capt Fabbin Stabbin)
12/20/13 10:21 AM
Re: B16g

After looking at it closer I think it could be a T3 60.

EfiniX
(Member ++)
12/20/13 12:00 PM
Re: B16g

Quoting EHMotorsports:

After looking at it closer I think it could be a T3 60.




Wait, seriously? Well that would be news to me (and the previous owner).

That being said, I can't say I would be shocked given how much stuff we found tearing the car down that didn't jive with the PO's parts list. Like the 264 cams that he thought he had...

If you can confirm, I'll update my build spreadsheet. The turbo is still rock-solid, so the bit that's most important to me is taken care of. I just thought I had a 20g in a weird housing. I'm going to have to check the workbook for the receipts. At least the PO got that right!


coyotes
(Hipster VR4)
12/20/13 12:09 PM
Re: B16g

I'll take that holset off your hands.

EHmotorsports
(Capt Fabbin Stabbin)
12/20/13 12:14 PM
Re: B16g

update. T3 T04 with a .60 AR.

EfiniX
(Member ++)
12/20/13 01:00 PM
Re: B16g

Quoting coyotes:

I'll take that holset off your hands.




The HX35 belongs to EHMotorsports. He's the one putting together the block and head from BogusSVO and dropping it all back in my car. I'm pretty sure he's going to have a 16g that leaks oil available soon, thought...



And thanks for the update, Evan.


EHmotorsports
(Capt Fabbin Stabbin)
12/20/13 01:02 PM
Re: B16g

haha ya I guess Ebay 16g's cant handle 25psi for 3 years hahaha.

coyotes
(Hipster VR4)
12/20/13 01:04 PM
Re: B16g

Yes, I saw your car in the shop when I had him check out my galant before I purchased it. He's a good guy, but wouldn't let me take home some goodies off your car.

EfiniX
(Member ++)
12/20/13 01:09 PM
Re: B16g

I bring him coffee every time I see him during the week, and craft beer every time I see him on the weekend, so that's what you'll have to compete with if you want to scoff parts

EfiniX
(Member ++)
12/20/13 01:11 PM
Re: B16g

Quoting EHmotorsports:

haha ya I guess Ebay 16g's cant handle 25psi for 3 years hahaha.




Given that I've got a .60 t3 t04, I'm kinda impressed I was getting 20psi @ 4200 RPM's. Hopfully it will come down into the high 3000's with the racing manifold, porting and cams.

And hopefully I can get some more psi with working fuel injectors!


coyotes
(Hipster VR4)
12/20/13 01:12 PM
Re: B16g

Sounds like true love to me.

and no ebay 16gs for me though!


CutlassJim
(poop load of room)
12/21/13 10:24 AM
Re: B16g

Quoting EfiniX:

Given that I've got a .60 t3 t04, I'm kinda impressed I was getting 20psi @ 4200 RPM's. Hopfully it will come down into the high 3000's with the racing manifold, porting and cams.

And hopefully I can get some more psi with working fuel injectors!




A racing manifold(?) and cams will probably raise your boost threshold not lower it.


EHmotorsports
(Capt Fabbin Stabbin)
12/21/13 05:08 PM
Re: B16g

Ya all the major boost leaks I fixed will lower it. Those other components will hinder.

tektic
(Senior Member)
12/22/13 09:17 AM
Re: B16g

For what its worth my upgrade plan is to swap out the impeller on a 14b to a mitsubishi 20g or similar size but keep the tdo5 turbine in the ported 7cm housing. This is all after I play with my 16g for a little while. I don't want any more lag than that. too much traffic top end in NY. I'd rather have the quickness to get around it.

EfiniX
(Member ++)
12/22/13 08:35 PM
Re: B16g

Quoting EHmotorsports:

Ya all the major boost leaks I fixed will lower it. Those other components will hinder.




So yeah, tons of boost leaks fixed. That's going to help. Ported intake and exhaust. That should help. Racing manifold... That certainly helps with lag , doesn't it? I know the cams are going to push the threshold up, but I'm hoping my net is an improvement in that the threshold goes up a little, but the improvement in the terrible lag I had more then makes up for it.

Fortunately when I build boost is ultimately immaterial to me as I'm not racing. Evan is doing great work on the motor and it will be as good as it can be when it's back together!

I'll update everyone in the build thread



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