**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/28/08 02:21 PM
Custom 75mm Throttle Body

After my BBK Throttle body took a shit, my brother and I decided that we would build on that could handle the abuse that I was going to dish out. The Body is 6061 Aluminum, and the Butterfly and shaft are both 304 Stainless. The Rotor matches the stock rotor size, and the TPS Sensor is the stock one.

This is just Revision 1, we still have some changes we need to make to it. I need to find a better spring for it. Sometime the spring will bind and the throttle will slowly close. So after we have sourced a new spring this thing should be perfect.

We did some 25psi pulls on it last night and it held up great. We are going to continue beating on it to see if we can get it to break . however I dont think we are going to have any luck breaking it.

Let me know what you guys think.

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cOmpressor
(also-ran member)
09/28/08 02:24 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Looks awesome man! CNC machines are the shiz.

atc250r
(Senior Ricer)
09/28/08 02:24 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Looks really nice. What are you doing in lieu of a closed throttle switch?

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/28/08 02:25 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

AEM EMS, it just uses the TPS to see when it is closed.

curtis
(Space Blanket from NASA plumbed into the attic)
09/28/08 02:32 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Sweet.

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/28/08 02:33 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Nice work. It's about time someone did this.

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/28/08 02:39 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

After we get done with a lot more testing, I will offer them up to the dsm community. I need to go through and do a full run of pressure tests, and make sure it can handle the abuse of 35+psi runs. All in all it is working great so far, we need to adjust the throttle plate, it seems that we need to taper it a little, and we also want to add the ISC to this. We learned a lot about building Throttle bodies, it is not as easy as it looks, however there is really not much to them .

cOmpressor
(also-ran member)
09/28/08 02:51 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Quoting TheBoz:


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No half shaft mod LoLzx


strokin4dr
(fighting them with a large needle)
09/28/08 03:07 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Nice work. You may want to bead the opening though, so there is less chance of the coupler blowing off.

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/28/08 04:21 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

It is a full shaft. We were just doing all the testing on Rev 1, we will put a bead on it. But it held on just fine at 25psi, on a t67.

CarRacer
(Giant Sack of Ginger)
09/28/08 05:01 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Peter Griffin and I agree, that's freakin sweet!

A very cool and unique mod, although I agree on lengthing the area for a coupler to attach or add a bead.

A great first effort for never making a TB before.


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/28/08 06:34 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Ya, keep the input coming. I want to make a lot of changes for rev 2. So anything you guys can think of that this needs. We used the BBK 75mm as our template for this. We did make a lot of little changes that would help to make mine a lot stronger and seal much better.

Also this was all done on a 3 axis milling machine. The only part we did with a lathe was the TB Shaft, and that was just to cut it down to size. The only lathe I have access to is from WWII so it is very loose.

I can tell you for sure that there is a lot more to a TB than meets the eye. The Butterfly was the hardest part, and getting it to seal up properly has been a huge pain in the ass.

Also Thanks for all the input so far.


ktmrider
(Cool Guy Crowd)
09/28/08 06:59 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Quoting CarRacer:

Peter Griffin and I agree, that's freakin sweet!

A very cool and unique mod, although I agree on lengthing the area for a coupler to attach or add a bead.

A great first effort for never making a TB before.


+1, maybe both ( longer and beaded ) on the input.
Still a beauty! Great job...


atc250r
(Senior Ricer)
09/28/08 07:03 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

I'd have to agree 110%, make the flange for the TB inlet longer and either machine a bead into it or weld one there. How about putting a CTP switch mount for those of us that aren't baller enough to run an AEM EMS?

John


turbowop
(Hard Snarker)
09/28/08 07:06 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Where does the FIAV and ISC go?

Looks good. +1 on a longer and beaded coupler section.


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/28/08 07:14 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

It is crazy because it is hard to decide what to put on and what to leave off. For me I dont need any of the fancy stuff , it is ok for my car to idle at 1300 rpm. However I would like to offer these up to the DSM community, but dont want to add a lot of features that people will not use.

I know I would love to have the Idle Control Motor and a BISS on there instead of using the Throttle body to set the idle.

The existing cupler mounting surface is long enough for a tbolt clap. How much more do you guys think it should be extended? (5mm, 10mm, 20mm)

Things to add
1. Idle Controller
2. BISS
3. Throttle Closed Sensor
4. Additional Cupler Mounting Surface with Bead


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/28/08 07:18 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

thats bad ass! do you have access to a cnc machine all the time? and do you write your own code?

atc250r
(Senior Ricer)
09/28/08 07:49 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

I would say 10 or 20mm added to the TB inlet would be nice to give the user some breathing room with it. I don't run a ISC or a FIAV on my car and IMHO, the majority of 4G63's that could benefit from a larger TB don't need them anyway. I only asked about the CTP switch because it does have a significant effect on idle and when coasting downhill. Without it the stock ECU won't shut the injectors off when coasting and the idle will usually surge for no apparent reason.

John


turbowop
(Hard Snarker)
09/28/08 08:38 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

The throttle body coupler in the pic below is a spare from a past setup I ran. It is 2.00" long. The one on my car now is 1.25" long, which is the shortest I would go comfortably. It leaves just enough room between the bead and the TB flange to clamp the coupler down.




**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/28/08 09:19 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

That thing is pimp. Waaay over built, I love it.

mean_green
(Member +)
09/29/08 01:29 AM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

+1 on getting it done yourself...
-1 for the duralast...


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/29/08 01:57 AM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

LOL, duralast is mad tight JDM Yo!

CarRacer
(Giant Sack of Ginger)
09/29/08 08:30 AM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

One more thought, what are you using for a gasket? I'm sure people who would use this are going to have aftermarket manifolds, but the flange surface could still get damaged causing a bad seal.

I think NAPA sells flat sheets of gasket material, so it's possible to just trace and cut one out.


GIjoe
(lol, Im an idiot)
09/29/08 12:55 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

wow, nice!

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/29/08 01:55 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Quoting CarRacer:

One more thought, what are you using for a gasket? I'm sure people who would use this are going to have aftermarket manifolds, but the flange surface could still get damaged causing a bad seal.

I think NAPA sells flat sheets of gasket material, so it's possible to just trace and cut one out.




Yep, some cut out pepboys gasket . As long as it holds boost that is all I care about.


jepherz
(Too Clean)
09/29/08 02:21 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Looks good, man.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the top/bottom edges on the stock TB plate are angle cut because the plate is never straight up and down when fully closed. This would also mean it's not an exact circle.


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/29/08 03:31 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

you are correct. It is an oval with a degreed cut on the edge. It is a lot harder to make than it looks because the oval is very slight.

jepherz
(Too Clean)
09/29/08 03:50 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Oh, I'm sure it's very hard. You've done a hell of a job so far, though!

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
10/14/08 08:35 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Beautiful work of art you have there.

Not sure if this is a concern but would it be neccessary to mushroom stamp the backside of the shaft bolts to keep them from coming loose and backing out. I think this just happened recently to Terry.


Terry Posten
(Old Balls)
10/14/08 08:37 PM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

ALL TB bolts should be checked and at least red loctited in.

They should be checked on a semi-annual basis.


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
10/15/08 02:57 AM
Re: Custom 75mm Throttle Body

Quoting Mike_1101:

Beautiful work of art you have there.

Not sure if this is a concern but would it be neccessary to mushroom stamp the backside of the shaft bolts to keep them from coming loose and backing out. I think this just happened recently to Terry.




Yep, currently they are just red loctited in, after the final rev they will get the red locktite and the stamping, because this did just happen to someone.



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